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Post by razorbackjim1 on Feb 10, 2015 15:39:31 GMT -5
Yes I bought the new Remington 700 Ultimate ML. Deep down I knew that it was a huge chance to buy the new product from a company that seems to build a inferior product these days copied with what seems to be screw up after screw up but after much research I went against my better judgement and became the proud owner of this gun. I contacted Remington's customer service to try to get some simple answers and load data but was informed they knew nothing about their gun. They told me that it was released prior to anyone doing any research and could not be of any help. Okay so I am on my own and off I go. After a day at the range I became quite surprised as I put together groups like I had never achieved with a ML before, heck I would be happy from any gun with the results I achieved. I was a happy Remington customer UNTIL I received a certified letter telling me I was going to be turned over to the ATF for an illegal gun if I didn't contact them ASAP. Well after finally getting ahold of a someone from Remington ( the letter had he contact info blanked out) I was to,d they sold the gun without a 7743 form and I was to return the gun as bought and would have it returned once I was approved. REALLY!!!! I was to tear the scope off send back and start over again to set it back up ,and oh I would receive 75.00 from their store for my pain. Remington if I had all the time I needed to hang out at a range to just shoot I would love it but finding the time the first go around was difficult and now to do it again. Well after several conversations they will be buying the gun back. I am done with a company that for some reason just can't seem go get it together. What happened to a once great American company? I should have listened to my gut from the start . Read more: dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/conversation/121084#ixzz3RNJKb8sl
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Post by rambler on Feb 10, 2015 17:05:59 GMT -5
Get one of the smokeless guns that most of these board members have. Many, many options. Cheaper and better too.
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 10, 2015 18:00:17 GMT -5
Did you buy the rifle direct from Remington, or did you buy it from a dealer?
If you bought it from a dealer, I would go have a conversation with them about this, and try to fill out the form. If it shoots so well, fight to keep it.
Remington is not Remington anymore. It is owned by a larger corporation, which is owned by yet a larger corporation > Freedom Group > Cerbeus. Same is true with Marlin, NEF, Barnes, and a few others. If that conglomerate gets its way, ALL gun and gun related companies will be owned by them. WHERE WILL YOU GO THEN??
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Post by encore50a on Feb 10, 2015 19:27:34 GMT -5
Did you buy the rifle direct from Remington, or did you buy it from a dealer? If you bought it from a dealer, I would go have a conversation with them about this, and try to fill out the form. If it shoots so well, fight to keep it. Remington is not Remington anymore. It is owned by a larger corporation, which is owned by yet a larger corporation > Freedom Group > Cerbeus. Same is true with Marlin, NEF, Barnes, and a few others. If that conglomerate gets its way, ALL gun and gun related companies will be owned by them. WHERE WILL YOU GO THEN?? I agree with this. If I had a receipt, right or wrong, I'd have kept the rifle anyway. If I'm not mistaken, it was THEIR responsibility to have the form...
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Post by 1coyotemaster on Feb 10, 2015 19:46:46 GMT -5
Get one of the smokeless guns that most of these board members have. Many, many options. Cheaper and better too. Some really good advice---send it back---get a refund and build your own SML---The choices are many as far as actions and barrels and there are many good smiths on the forum. You will not be disappointed if you have one built and it will be safe with the loads we shoot.
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Post by 10ga on Feb 10, 2015 22:56:31 GMT -5
It's not an illegal gun! The gun wasn't stolen. Whoever sold it to you w/o a 7743 made an illegal transfer/sale if they were a licensed dealer. The burden was on them and they probably had an ATF agent asking for the 7743 when looking over their books on a visit. I hope you made a "reasonable" profit on your sale, and depending on what state you are in you may need a 7743 for your sale unless you sold it to a licensed dealer and can prove that is what you did. I see all kinds of bad scenarios coming out of this kind of SN-FUBAR! JMHO 10
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Post by 7mmfreak on Feb 11, 2015 6:44:48 GMT -5
A dealer conducting an improper sale or transfer is not Remington ' s fault.
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Post by razorbackjim1 on Feb 11, 2015 9:05:13 GMT -5
I purchased the gun from a dealer but it is Remington's fault. Remington contacted me and they have no problem claiming fault. They did not provide the dealers with the correct information on how the gun was to be sold. There is no telling how many of these guns were sold improperly. I even asked the representative from Remington ,what if I no longer have the gun as in I sold it. I was told I sold an illegal gun and I was at fault and punishable by the ATF. I then asked if I could carry the gun to a local dealer ,fill out the proper papervwork and take care of it that way so I did not have to break the gun back down . The answer was NO. I guess I could fight this more but I don't have the times or desire to go there . Just give me back my money for I don't want your gun attitude now. I will be looking into building a gun now and not purchasing another of their product. I just can't believe after all the problems they have had with failures (poor designs,trigger recalls,etc.) that they would not have done their homework. They have decided to put the burden upon the consumer.
Update since I was typing this I received my email instructions on how to return the product. I now have to call UPS and set a time to be home for a scheduled pickup. Well I hope they can pickup in the evening for I will not use a day off work to comply with their screwup.....
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Post by rambler on Feb 11, 2015 9:42:17 GMT -5
I'd have to call the ATF and run all this by them. If I have to be hassled so would Remington.
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Post by longbowshtr on Feb 12, 2015 7:37:10 GMT -5
The form used is a "4473". I would go back to my dealer and fill out a "4473". Let them do the back ground check that complies with your state laws. Remington does not have a dog in this fight. Remington sold the gun to a wholesaler who then sold it to your dealer. Your dealer is on the hook here with ATF. Simple fix.
Benny
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Post by razorbackjim1 on Feb 12, 2015 8:40:02 GMT -5
Hi Benny, I wish it was that easy but this is not the case. The gun was bought from a online store called muzzleloader.com. Let it be said I am no way bashing muzzleloader. Com. These are great guys and have been very helpful during this entire process as well as the initial purchase of the gun. Muzzleloader. Com is not a licensed arm dealer. They do not sell guns that require a form 4473 but only muzzleloaders. They received guns from Remington and put them out there for sale later Remington contacted muzzleloader.com requesting their dealer license number they told Remington that they did not have a dealer license number.they could have purchased any style of hand gun rifle from Remington prior to Remington even requesting their dealer number. The store has been in contact with the ATF as well and all fault falls on Remington. However what upsets the store is they have found out that Remington is strong arming the consumer by telling them they are subject to legal persecution if guns are immediately turned over. This is wrong in so many ways. The consumer is not subject to legal ramifications and Remington knows this however to keep their selves out of trouble and face prosecution they are making the consumer believe so. Remington will not even allow me to take a gun to my local dealer surrender to them fill out the form wait for approval and get the gun back to keep from having to break down all of the work that was done to it. Remington is required me to ship the gun directly back to them where they will hold onto it until the approval is done and then ship the gun back. This must be done without any accessories applied to the gun meaning scope mounts rings etc will have to be removed prior to shipment.this was remington mistake gotten drive they should have done your homework prior to shipping the guns out to any of their dealers however they did not much like me any of their past mistakes they didn't do their homework properly. And now they want the burden to follow up on their consumers.
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Post by rambler on Feb 12, 2015 9:01:25 GMT -5
I'd hang on to the gun and wait for the black hawks to start flying over
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Post by hawghunter on Feb 12, 2015 18:33:45 GMT -5
I would treat Remington like any other buyer. Send me a check for what you think the rifle is worth not what they say it is worth plus shipping and handling. Your time is worth something but it's not up to them to determine what it is worth.
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Post by longbowshtr on Feb 12, 2015 20:43:31 GMT -5
Razor Here's what to do. Find a local dealer that does a dealer transfer. Mail their FFL copy to Remington. Have Remington to mail a receipt to your dealer. Now you can comply with your states background check. The big key here is YOU being able to pass a back ground check. A simple fix.
Benny
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Post by razorbackjim1 on Feb 13, 2015 8:02:03 GMT -5
I thought the same Benny and Remington would not agree to this . They said I must send the gun back. I have at this point decided I want nothing to do with this gun or their company. Any company that will accuse their customers of illegal actions when it's only to cover their own mistakes, I want nothing to do with. I just want others to know what kind of company they have became and maybe prevent others of the same grief however thank you for trying to help me .
Jim
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Post by rambler on Feb 13, 2015 8:09:57 GMT -5
I'd hang on to the gun and wait for the black hawks to start flying over I only say this in the event they aren't going to refund you your money for the cost of the gun and a nominal fee for tear down and inconvenience.
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Post by razorbackjim1 on Feb 13, 2015 12:45:34 GMT -5
Hey a Rambler, I have made it a mission of mine to let everyone know about this. Had it been Remington didn't tell their customers that they were subject to prosecution ( a lie and strong arm tactic ) I would have been upset but let it go. I presume they are tired of me and have agreed to refund full price and a 300.0 credit to their store for the cost of the money spent as well as coat of shipping. Maybe I can buy a jacket with the credit or something for it want be a weapon .
Jimmy
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Post by rambler on Feb 13, 2015 13:02:14 GMT -5
Hey a Rambler, I have made it a mission of mine to let everyone know about this. Had it been Remington didn't tell their customers that they were subject to prosecution ( a lie and strong arm tactic ) I would have been upset but let it go. I presume they are tired of me and have agreed to refund full price and a 300.0 credit to their store for the cost of the money spent as well as coat of shipping. Maybe I can buy a jacket with the credit or something for it want be a weapon . Jimmy Jimmy, I hope all turns out well.
If you want a cool MZ to shoot smokeless this is the place to start your research. Good folk and good info on all kinds of things.
Good luck
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Post by hawghunter on Feb 13, 2015 16:59:48 GMT -5
$300.00 sounds like a fair offer.
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