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Post by oldsnow on Sept 25, 2014 20:38:30 GMT -5
WOW ! It is good to see you were not hurt.
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Post by bestill on Sept 25, 2014 20:41:08 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing a true eye opener. And glad your ok. My brother made a load box that has a tray that is drilled in a grid that holds powder tube, wad , bullet and primer. Holds15 loads and we put primer back in try after each shoot works great at range especially competitions . Seems there's always somebody talking or asking questions so very easy to get side tracked. This tray helps keep track of each step. I will share pics soon.
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Post by Typical171 on Sept 26, 2014 2:13:56 GMT -5
Thanks for going easy on me guys. As has been said, hopefully, we can learn from this. It does appear that the failure point was at the start of the flutes. I wish I could say with 100% certainty I had or hadn't double loaded. This would be my first double load in 19 years of MZ's, but I'm plenty absentminded at times to where I have no doubt I could have double loaded. The way the top two peels are forced up significantly more than the bottom half, I would theorize that is from a double load getting pushed up and out. Additionally, to me, the copper fouling also supports this theory as I would think the bullet on a single load would still travel down the barrel (but that's pure conjecture). Other double loads have also shown a lot of copper fouling too. Finally, the semi-hard stop when seating the bullet reminded me of the one time I sat a bullet with no powder, but could have been bullet on bullet? Basically, everything in the story is the standard double load story we hear, but I can't for the life of me remember doing it. Luke, Very glad to hear your ok and thank you for sharing your story with us. Very unfortunate mishap and a grim reminder of what we are dealing with when we shoot these powerful guns. You never mention what the primer looked liked? Were you able to retrieve it?
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Post by mac111 on Sept 26, 2014 4:50:37 GMT -5
Luke glade your ok . Guns can be replaced people can't
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Post by mike243 on Sept 26, 2014 5:17:55 GMT -5
I will be buying a range rod and make a collar with 2 set screws on it. when I know the barrel is loaded with my load I will set the collar and leave it. if I go to load and the collar doesn't touch the barrel the load gets pulled , I'm sorry you had this happen but I try to learn without paying a price. and who knows what caused it for sure, things wear out
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Post by muznut on Sept 26, 2014 6:46:08 GMT -5
Luke, I'm glad you made it through that mishap unscathed, considering how that barrel come unglued even at the breech you could have had a breech plug hole in your head!! Like others mentioned the first thing in my head seeing the pics was how thin the barrel was at the deep flute areas, maybe its a good idea not to use flutes so deep and especially with a barrel contour that thin. Thanks for Manning up to this so the rest of us can learn by it.. Bob
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Post by hemicuda on Sept 26, 2014 9:42:15 GMT -5
Almost for sure a double load, even though you aren't sure how it could have happened. The fluting definitely takes some tensile strength away. We all need to realize how much these barrels take when pushing 300+gr bullets to around 3000fps. Then have a dirty bore sneak up on you and cause more pressure. Thanks for being humble enough to post it, I admire you. Even though we have our disagreements we are a great group here and learn together. It just shows how much the Lord is looking after us even when we are unaware of it. We need Him-thank Him!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 10:01:17 GMT -5
Amen!
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Post by captbutch on Sept 26, 2014 10:25:15 GMT -5
Wow! Glad your ok Luke! Could have been a lot worse outcome for sure. Takes a lot of man to own up to a mistake, but may keep someone else from being hurt or worse. Like has already been said, it can and does happen to even the most experienced. Was there any damage to the receiver? Looks like it came apart inside the barrel thread? Another vote for unfluted barrel!
Stay safe and glad it wasn't worse!
Butch
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Post by rangeball on Sept 26, 2014 12:28:49 GMT -5
Luke, is the threading in the action toast?
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Post by lwh723 on Sept 26, 2014 22:14:16 GMT -5
I was surprised to find that the primer actually looked normal. I guess the barrel gave so fast there wasn't enough time for the pressure to go through the bushing.
Actually, I think the action is going to be fine. We'll see if it's belled or something when I get around to taking the barrel apart, but even though the barrel pieces snapped a thread or two in somehow the threads didn't pull out. Nose of the BP also appears to be ok, and I suspect it will unscrew fine. However, that's one plug I won't be reusing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 22:31:08 GMT -5
I think I would take the base off and make a mantle piece out of that one, a reminder of the day God had his hand over you..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 5:45:25 GMT -5
Luke I might have missed if you have already stated it but did the bullet/s make it out the end of the barrel? I would suspect they did unless you had a blockage worse than a double load would be.
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Post by smokepoler on Sept 27, 2014 8:31:34 GMT -5
Holy Smokeless, Luke! What a blessing you weren't injured. That needs to be a sticky on EVERY ml board. Is your witness marke scribed? I took the finish off of my rod up to the witness mark, an easy pickup of a double load.
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Post by yule on Sept 27, 2014 8:55:26 GMT -5
Luke - So glad you are OK !!
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Post by esshup on Oct 1, 2014 11:23:41 GMT -5
Luke, I just found out. Thank the Lord that you're O.K. I use white-out on the ramrod, or a thin sliver of duct tape on the ramrod when I'm playing with loads. The duct tape is easier to move.
Line wearing Labonville chaps when running the chainsaw. A bit of safety is a cheap insurance policy.
I'm glad you posted the pics. It's a grim reminder of what can happen.
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Post by charles on Oct 1, 2014 11:45:21 GMT -5
Glad you are ok
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Post by Slufoot on Oct 1, 2014 21:12:12 GMT -5
All I know is the good Lord was with you that day. You are extremely blessed that you didn't get seriously injured. Thank you so much for sharing this with all of us, I'm sure it will help all who see it to be more careful.
Slufoot
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Post by cowhunter on Oct 1, 2014 23:43:01 GMT -5
Your gun now looks like a Klingon disrupter rifle. Remember that the failings of human memory have nothing to do with intelligence. But thanks for reminding everyone how easy it is to double load.
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