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Post by 161 on May 9, 2009 8:45:39 GMT -5
wilmsmeyer You made a comment in the concealed carry thread that your permit was not valid in NYC. Whats the deal with that? I thought the Supreme Court found local ordinances that interfered with gun ownership unconstitutional. Or can they still, as a City not recognize CCW permits?
This question also goes out to any one who lives near Chicago. D.C. or any of the Cities that at one time outlawed handguns in City Limits. 161
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Post by wilmsmeyer on May 9, 2009 10:38:38 GMT -5
161,
I am not aware of any legislative action in NYS that would contradict the words "Not valid to carry a weapon in New York City unless approved by the Police Commissioner of that city" that appears on my CCW permit.
Yeah...this is stupid and dumb. However, it has not detered me from keeping a sidearm close as I travel the Cross Bronx Expressway....just east of the GW Bridge for 7 miles....just short of the Throggs Neck Bridge. My route also takes me down the Pallisades Pkwy which is on the west side of the Hudson river for 20 miles or so...another snag. Mind you, this is only 2-3 times a year. But it's almost always late at night...like midnight.
Like I said, I do this un-detered. In 1992, I had to brave the streets of downtown Rochester to pick my wife up from work. They dismissed everyone early the day the Rodney King Police Officers were aquitted. There were riots...shots fired by her building.....I had to go and I had to go NOW and get her. We were newly weds...I was 26...had guns but no sidearms. I decided to go unarmed because a shotgun on my front seat would probably have caused me more problems under the conditions of the situation. Cops checking everyone, everywhere....on foot and horseback. Roadblocks everywhere. After that harrowing day, I vowed to finally get my permit. (issued 3 months later) I couldn't live with myself if I had to watch someone violate a loved one in front of me with no recourse for action.
I live with the attitude that my sidearm could never be discovered, while in NYC, unless I used it. Plus, I'm just passing through. If I used it, I'd rather be judged by 12 then buried by 6...and I'll take that judgement.
So....I'm a violator of the law in the literal sense. Am I wrong? Bad? I guess it matters only to who I ask. My Mom worries that I will get the 3 yr minimum if caught. I remind her of the celebs that have skated, most recently an NFL player who shot himself in the leg...Bernard Geotz on the subway in NYC a while back...and ask her if those laws are so tight, that they would imprison a productive member of society for saving there own life or the life of someone else.
Like I said...I'd rather be in court then pushing up daisies. It's not even an issue in my mind. Hopefully, it will never need to be one.
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Post by 161 on May 9, 2009 12:09:17 GMT -5
Who issues permits in NYS? Here it's the Sheriff of the county you reside. The Sheriff has complete discretion of who gets and does not. I don't agree with it but that how it is. The Sheriff can put as many restrictions or as few as he wants.
Apparently to carry in NYC you need a permit issued by the City Commissioner?
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Post by sw on May 9, 2009 12:21:36 GMT -5
Wilms ... what part of "shall not be infringed upon" does the NYC ordinance violate?
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Post by wilmsmeyer on May 9, 2009 12:51:32 GMT -5
SW,
I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean.
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Post by sw on May 9, 2009 12:55:28 GMT -5
SW, I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. Probably a poor example. but so many of "our" gun" laws seem to infringe on our consitutional rights. An example seems to be the NYC law.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on May 9, 2009 16:35:45 GMT -5
No matter the state you live in, the guys who should not have guns always will and the guys that should have them will be regulated to death....
It will be interesting to see how long our Constitution can hold up to the craziness that seems to want to change/ignore it. In my short lifetime, ground has slowly been lost and none has been gained.
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Post by 161 on May 9, 2009 18:06:57 GMT -5
So if you were wanting to carry in NYC would you need two permits? One issued by the State and one by the City? How's it work?
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Post by wilmsmeyer on May 10, 2009 5:32:47 GMT -5
Not sure of the steps needed to obtain the NYC permit. But it may be easier...and less expensive....to ask for forgiveness then ask permission.
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Post by 161 on May 10, 2009 20:26:47 GMT -5
So whats the process to get a permit in NYS? And who issues them?
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Post by wilmsmeyer on May 11, 2009 5:18:41 GMT -5
Go to the county clerks office and get an application. There is a fee...I think $50-$100. Fill it out in black ink only. Do not make mistakes. Handwrite 2-3 copies for submission. Explain the reason you have for getting a carry permit. Most say hunting and target practice. Saying you are using it for self defence causes "problems" I've heard. Have about 5 references of people that know you at least 3 years...a number of these need to be county residents for a certain amout of time. No relatives or "family"...like your wife is a NO. Get fingerprinted and photgraphed. Submit application and wait for the system to do FBI checks and other backround checks. No felonys allowed. Must list ANY convictions for any crime at any time in your life.
A good friend just went through this process and used me as a reference. I was contacted by letter and asked 5 specific questions regarding the applicant. The answers I gave were probably cross referenced to his application. Turnaround time is 3-6 months. He rec'd his in about 4 months.
Used to be, about 10 years ago, that you had to BUY A PISTOL first. The Gunstore would hold the pistol until you were approved. Once granted a permit, a coupon was sent with your permit which already had the gun and serial number on it. You gave this to the gunstore and then he handed you the pistol. Now, you don't need to have the gun 1st. Bring your new permit to a gunstore. Buy a gun and the gunstore calls for an "instant" backround check which can be fast. Also need to do a "brady" check if you have not purchased a firearm in 5 yrs...I think.
There are good and bad points here. The worst bad point is the turnaround time. It's good to check on people first, but it shouldn't take 3-6 months IMO. I've heard NYS is one of the tougher states.
What about the rest of you guys? What's your process?
As a sidenote, when I buy ammo at a Walmart, the regiter prompts the cashier to ask "is this for a pistol?" I always say no. Who knows where THAT info would go...no need to give it to them IMO.
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Post by Richard on May 11, 2009 16:43:41 GMT -5
North Carolina...........Permit obtained from your county sheriff. First, take a "permit to carry" course. $75.00 . Then take that certificate to your county sheriff's office and fill out the application and get fingerprinted. Wait about three to four weeks. They call you and you respond to the sheriff's office and pick up your permit. $90 for five years and renewable without any further paperwork or re-testing. If you let it expire by more than a month, you need to take another $75 course and re-apply! Richard
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Post by 161 on May 11, 2009 19:52:05 GMT -5
We have 99 counties in Iowa, 99 sheriffs and 99 different opinions on permits to carry. Some are Shall issue, and some won't issue at all. In my county you need to first apply submit to a background check take the safety course and shoot a qualifying score at the range. Just about every sheriff has a different safety course and course of fire.
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Post by Buckrub on May 18, 2009 14:29:09 GMT -5
Good grief.
In Arkansas, you must pass a one day course given by a state certified instructor.
Then you pay $144.00 to the Arkansas State Police, who issue the CCW license, and they do a background check. If you pass the course, and you pass the background check, you get a 4 year license.
They even use the same picture on your driver's license.
It's good statewide.
It's good in many states that have reciprocal agreements with Arkansas.
Very few of those states are 'back east'.........
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