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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 14:34:33 GMT -5
Leupold doesn't care how you got it or how you break it. They will fix or replace it, been a long time now (probably the early 90's) but an old friend ran his rifle over and got a new 6.5-20 out of it.
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Post by cowhunter on Jul 11, 2014 18:05:43 GMT -5
Thanks sml. That is great. It sounds like something Leupold would do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 20:52:08 GMT -5
Leupold has great customer service but I think their quality has taken a nose dive in recent years, JMO. I have a hard time getting past the Chinese glass. I did however get to check out a V-x6 and it was pretty impressive but they are not cheap either.
I have been reading some good stuff on the new Steiner scopes of late but once again, a little pricey..
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Post by deadeye on Jul 12, 2014 8:05:23 GMT -5
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Post by rossman40 on Jul 12, 2014 10:43:55 GMT -5
The story I heard is that the design team from Schmidt&Bender quit and went freelance a few years ago. They are the ones behind the design of the Steiner scopes and now the Burris XTR IIs and the Veracity. Burris and Steiner are both now owned by Beretta. The Burris scopes are now all being made overseas with the upper end being made in the Philippines. Supposedly Burris moved all their equipment to the Philippines and had their own facility going but was running into QC issues and as a result has been farming out to the Kenko/LOW facility. The main differences between the Burris and the Steiner scopes are the glass and the turrents and a few other cosmetics.
The Steiner scopes are being assembled in Germany at a facility down the road from Zeiss (the German equivalent of LOW) and now in the US to qualify for gov contracts. I have been told that Burris/Steiner was doing the final assembly at the Greely, CO facility but then was told they do not have the equipment anymore. I have also been told that Premier Reticle or Meopta was doing it. Much like Leupold the tubes and some of the other metal parts are cut in the US, the reticles come from Premier, and then assembled with other imported parts. The German scopes use Japanese lenses (Ohara, same as Zeiss) with a super hi-tech coating, something about due to patents they cannot export those coated lenses out of Germany by themselves so the US made Steiners glass has a different coating.
I have also been told the Steiner CS flat sucks...
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jul 12, 2014 12:14:43 GMT -5
Cowhunter... I wouldnt give it a second thought to try and warranty any scope that has Leupold on it. I have read many stories where someone has an old scope "Grandpa"had on his hunting rifle 59 years.ago...and they reported great customer service....I would make the.statement that. "None of these scope manufacturer's got to the level they are by not havung very top notch customer service". I have yet to deal with one who in the end did not make sure I was more than satisfied. drop
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Post by deadeye on Jul 13, 2014 8:20:20 GMT -5
now owned by Beretta. The Burris scopes are now all being made overseas with the upper end being made in the Philippines. Supposedly Burris moved all their equipment to the Philippines and had their own facility going but was running into QC issues and as a result has been farming out to Read more: dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/thread/15462/scope-opinions?page=2#ixzz37M190zhoken- I did notice a small sticker on bottom-made in the Philippines
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2014 10:35:43 GMT -5
How's the glass deadeye? I'm eyeing the 8-40x. I wonder how they hold up to the heavy recoil. The 2 Sightron SIII's I have, have held up great. No issues with recoil and they track great with well over 1000 shots on the 8-32x. I read over on another forum that the glass is equal to the Sightron SIII's, and much better than the Vortex PST 6-24's. Your thoughts on the glass? Thanks
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Post by deadeye on Jul 13, 2014 13:30:54 GMT -5
How's the glass deadeye? I'm eyeing the 8-40x. I wonder how they hold up to the heavy recoil. The 2 Sightron SIII's I have, have held up great. No issues with recoil and they track great with well over 1000 shots on the 8-32x. I read over on another forum that the glass is equal to the Sightron SIII's, and much better than the Vortex PST 6-24's. Your thoughts on the glass? Thanks glass- It would not be fair to comment until I get it mounted & some work at the bench,probably in the next few days. per cs @ burris they claim & I don't doubt much tougher than the already tough xtr's that I have pounded to death. my glass on the original xtr's is much better than vortex but not quite as good as sightron- will keep you posted on the xtr II
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 8:01:40 GMT -5
Are you using your XTR I on your SML's?
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Post by deadeye on Jul 15, 2014 14:40:27 GMT -5
Are you using your XTR I on your SML's? yes- I own 5 original xtr's-finally had one that burris cs said was a worn out /unrepairable so I upgraded to the new xtr II. it had over 1k of hard loads but that might not have been the culprit on this scope. I will say this on the xtr II- it appears beefed up in all dept's-soon to test
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Post by mrbuck on Jul 15, 2014 16:35:58 GMT -5
A lot of fuss over this scope question . For me it is very simple . Buy a Leupold in the price range you can afford that compliments the price range , quality , and caliber of the rifle you are mounting it on . For me Leupold represents good value for the money and a super guarantee / replacement policy that can't be beat ! JMO mrbuck
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