Remington 3" Accutip 100 yard group

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This is a 3 shot group at 100 yards out of my (old style) Ithaca DSIII, off bags. This is the reason I struggle with finding and keeping a second slug gun for a back up/rainy day, lighter carrying gun. I've owned a bunch of em and none of them stack up to the Ithaca. The closest slug gun I've owned to performing even close to this was an H&R Ultra Slug Hunter. I've achieved almost identical groups out of the Ithaca with the Winchester XP3's, Winchester Partition Golds, Remington Core Loct Ultra's. Seems this gun was just made to shoot. Guess i got lucky and got one that wasn't built on a Friday or a Monday.

[Dave W]

Buy another one to see if they all shoot this good. If it does I'll take it off your hands.
Best shooting slug gun I have seen!
Forgot to add the trigger puller ain't to shabby either.

[mrbuck]

Oh boy!!!! Is that a fine group or what? Sell the Savage 220.

[jims]

I would not look for any other. Can't beat what you got.

[mike3132]

The only draw back I have with Ithaca is the light weight which equals big recoil! I found most slug guns will shoot when you find the right slug for them. Mike

[mrbuck]

mike3132... I believe these are a much heavier barreled gun than the old M37 Featherweights. I think that is one of the key factors in obtaining top accuracy from slugguns. A barrel that is fixed to the receiver and free floated or with slight forend pressure with bolt guns also are important for the best accuracy ( ? ) possible . Then comes the testing for a load that groups and kills well. With a sluggun and big bucks like this ohioguy must be leading an very clean life !! God bless "em !

[Dave W]

Feb 17, 2012 14:13:28 GMT -5 mrbuck said:

mike3132... I believe these are a much heavier barreled gun than the old M37 Featherweights. I think that is one of the key factors in obtaining top accuracy from slugguns. A barrel that is fixed to the receiver and free floated or with slight forend pressure with bolt guns also are important for the best accuracy ( ? ) possible . Then comes the testing for a load that groups and kills well. With a sluggun and big bucks like this ohioguy must be leading an very clean life !! God bless "em !

IIRC it is 11.2lbs without a scope and bases and rings. It is a tank but man does this thing shoot!

[Al]

I had one of those heavy old DSlll, best trigger I ever felt on a shotgun, and she would shoot those 2 3/4 or 3" Partition Golds like no tomorrow.

[hornet22savage]

My regular Deer Slayer does pretty good with those Accu-Tips 2 3/4 of course. I can shoot 2.25 inch groups at 100 yds, and thats off of a 4x4 rest with no bags. I'm betting thse groups would tighten up with bags. My only concern is the performance, I shot two deer with them this year first was at 70 yds. slug entered high in the rib cage next to spine and cut a path through the liver and one lung found on underside of hide. Second was at about 30 yds. slug penciled through both lungs no expansion and was not recovered, second shot was thrugh the shoulder and again perfect expansion. I had heard stories of poor performance before I switched any of you expirience this or do you automatically go for the shoulder?

[mike3132]

My apologies...... I was talking about the featherweights. Mike

[mrbuck]

hornet22savage....several reports of lack of expansion here in NJ. You would think the 70yd.shot would produce a ''pass through''and the 30yd. shot's velocity would expand the slug even if the rib was missed going in and out.

[hornet22savage]

Thats what I don't understand, It seems to me they need to hit some sort of structure to start the expansion process. I have used everything from Winchester Platnium tips to the Remington Core-Lokts and all slug have provided pass throughs at ranges exceeding 125 yds. as well as perfect terminal performance. I switched from the Platnium Tips to the Core-Lokts because they were more accurate at a longer distance, however my supplier raised the price $2 a box this past year so I looked for another cheaper alternative and settled on the Accu-Tips everthough I had concerns about their performance. I had hoped after taking my first deer with them that the concerns were unfounded, however the second deer affirmed them. I'm looking to try the new ones from Federal their Trophy Copper slugs but have not been able to find them. I sent an E-Mail asking when they would be available for purchase and got a generic responsed of check with your local dealer.

[wilmsmeyer]

Here's what I don't understand....

A .58 cal bullet that "pencils" thru cuts a hole that is the same size as a .30 that doubles in size while expanding.

In your opinion, why does a .58 cal bullet have to expand at all? That's a cavern of a hole bud!

[mrbuck]

wilmsmeyer...Great question ! Maybe it is the expantion process inside the target that really creates the tissue, nerve,etc. damage that puts animal down quickly. Deer shot in the lungs with the old Foster slugs ran ...sometimes almost 100yds. ...with a big hole. Years ago I shot chucks with a .22-250 shooting 52gr. HPBT...benchrest bullets....at 3800fps at the muzzle and when the chucks past 250yds were hit in the body they all made it down the hole. Bought a .222 Remington Magnum and shot a 50gr. softpoint at 3200 fps. and body hit chucks in the same fields, same den holes were Bang-Flops. I also am a firm believer in the old Roy Weatherby/Jack O' Conner school of hydrostatic shock destroying tissue and nerves that shortcircuit an animals system. Enjoy and respect your posts.

[hornet22savage]

It seems to me that no expansion means no energy transfer, even though it was a good shot placement double lung the deer still ran and required a second shot to finish. That animal in my opinion suffered and it was not necessary. Thats all I'm saying I see your point of the sixe of the hole and what not.

[mrbuck]

hornet22savage... the fellows that are reporting inconsistant results with the Accu-Tips are very experienced hunters killing many deer with all kinds of shotguns and slugs since slugs became legal in NJ in 1973 as well as taking in reliable info from other experienced deer hunters. IMO Barnes Tipped Copper slugs are the best in terminal performance.

[hornet22savage]

I won't disagree about the Barnes it's unfortunate that Federal will no longer be carrying them. I wonder if Barnes will market them itself or if another manufacturer will step up and offer them. I need to get some more variety and test I tried some of the Barens Tipped and Win XP3 this fall but was in a hurry and wasted my money beacuse the groups were not that good and it was mostly me.

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I'll be shooting 3" Accutips until I can't hunt anymore or they design something better for me. Every time I have pulled the trigger it has been, bang flop. Having a gun that gives me confidence to put that slug anywhere I want helps too but almost all the fast sabots shoot very good from my gun. XP3's have proven to be very deadly as well with same accuracy. Core loct ultra's and partition gold's are just as accurate for me but then I get the pencil thru results mentioned above.

[Deleted]

Dave if I ever tag out early you can use mine whenever you want, no need to buy another one. (If I can pull off a bow kill)

[mrbuck]

hornet22savage...Thanks for the info about Federal not loading the Barnes Tipped anymore. With less and less deer in NJ it really does not matter anyway. I better stock up!

[vtecgsr95]

I used to use the core lokt ultras in my 870 and my 11-87, but I always got some fliers. I switched to a marlin 512 and they shot like crap...along with winchesters, and hornady. I ended up using the remington copper solids and they have been flawless! I lose some velocity, but these things fly so well, and I have found ALL of them in the deer I have harvested and they were a perfect petal as shown on the box. The core lokts always ended up fragmenting.

[mrbuck]

Shooting slugs since the mid-70's fliers have cost me many dollars and many hours of despair.
Even the Rem. copper solids. Best have been Lightfields and the old Hastings slugs.
vtecgsr95... How big are your groups at 100yds. ?

[vtecgsr95]

Mast time I shot the copper solids @ 100 yards, I was simply resting my arm on a picnic table and was able to achieve under 3" groups. The winchesters, core lokt's and federals were all over the target.

The lightfield hybrids.....the recoil was so brutal on those I didnt even consider them an option!

[mrbuck]

vtecgrs95...
A good bench is must. A good front rest is also a must. And most important a dead calm , ovrecast , cool day. And don't shoot fast and heat up the barrel. Most guns shoot better after a few shots have been dowh the barrel .
Don't try to shoot more tha 12 shots or so as it is easy to develop a flinch or get ''punchy''.

[vtecgsr95]

^^Agreed.

However, during my last shooting session, it was cool out....didnt have much time to shoot, and there was few little time between shots. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, I think I loaded 3 shots in the gun and shot them within 30 seconds of each other. The copper solids were near the last ones shot, and they shot best.

I have rechecked them since and I was able to almost touch holes @ 100 yards weith 2 shots. Unfortunately, I sold my Marlin slug gun....and its back to the drawing board for a new slugster!

[mrbuck]

vtecgrs95...
Good luck. Darn expensive putting a nice shooting rig together...not just for a well made gun but also a scope that will hold up to the recoil during testing to find an accurate slug for the barrel. With slugs at just about $3.00 a pop no use shooting on a windy day !