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Post by dave d. on Oct 6, 2011 11:35:46 GMT -5
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Post by 10ga on Oct 6, 2011 12:03:24 GMT -5
PM sent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 12:31:19 GMT -5
Now thats a smokeless breechplug.....someone asked what one was awhile back, thats the answer, Dave D. , once again ,GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!
Greenhorn
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Post by dave d. on Oct 6, 2011 15:31:14 GMT -5
 guys I have included Ryan email address in the original post. If your interested in his plug email him. Also I have been asked the difference between the two plugs so here it is. Petes plug is nicer to look at and has a tapered primer pocket which we believe might allow for easy removal but has not been tested. I tested Ryans .242 straight pocket and I was able to get all but one out with my fingers ( extractor would do it. I've been asked if they will work in a omega and the answer is yes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 19:34:10 GMT -5
Dave,
Thats a bad email address for Ryan. Can you double check and repost please. Thanks
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Post by dave d. on Oct 6, 2011 19:49:34 GMT -5
:)email fixed sorry guys.
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Post by fishhawk on Oct 6, 2011 20:27:02 GMT -5
Dave, these plugs are to be used with which manufacturers barrels?
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Post by howa on Oct 6, 2011 20:37:15 GMT -5
Dave, these plugs are to be used with which manufacturers barrels? Yeah, same question for me. Will this work with my SMI 45/70 Encore conversion? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 21:11:31 GMT -5
I asked Dave the same question on the phone tonight. They will work with the DD barrel like drop had done for his Encore. Not for the 45-70 conversion, well maybe if you had the plug before sending it off to SMI for them to fit it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 21:55:54 GMT -5
Dave,
Compared to the savage plug, which IYO would be a hotter plug
to shoot smokeless in any conversion. What I'm getting at is , if this one IS a hotter plug , why not use it on any conversion, just have pacnor,mcgowen ,etc.,thread to accept it.
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Post by dave d. on Oct 7, 2011 4:47:22 GMT -5
:)ok let's start with fishhawk and howa these plugs like Steve answered will work in any encore or omega factory chamber which includes the dd bullberry conversions. They will also work for any conversion if you haven't chambered it yet. Now greenhorn there's a reason why certain plugs are used for certain conversions. It all depends on primers that are going to be used( cases or 209's) and weather or not you need length to fill up a chamber(45-70 conversions) or get past a recoil lug(700ml). I hope I've explained it well enough.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 8:45:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the lesson......
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Post by dave d. on Oct 8, 2011 8:46:44 GMT -5
update: tested Ryan plug yesterday and everything worked great. My easy extractor would not extract the primer but I was able to get everyone out by hand. I hope there will be some pa machine reports soon.
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Post by dave d. on Oct 8, 2011 21:52:39 GMT -5
:)heres a pic of ryans plug.its full of grease but you can get the idea.   |
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Oct 9, 2011 18:17:40 GMT -5
Pete said he will ship mine out tomorrow. I intend to take it to the range next weekend and put some through it. As soon as I do I will post some report's
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Post by dave d. on Oct 9, 2011 18:21:12 GMT -5
thanks Russell.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Oct 9, 2011 19:00:10 GMT -5
No Dave...........Thank You !!!! for all the work you do for us.  |
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Oct 10, 2011 21:25:55 GMT -5
I asked Dave the same question on the phone tonight. They will work with the DD barrel like drop had done for his Encore. Not for the 45-70 conversion, well maybe if you had the plug before sending it off to SMI for them to fit it? Since this is an Encore or Omega plug...Could you just have them chamber it for a stock plug? That is what was used for a pattern... But the snout would have to be enlarged in diameter for a .50. Drop |
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Oct 18, 2011 19:38:20 GMT -5
Emailed PA machine...Hopefully mine will ship this week. Anybody got any ,,,,and shot them yet?
Drop
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Post by dave d. on Oct 25, 2011 11:52:45 GMT -5
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Post by jessewalter on Oct 26, 2011 20:03:34 GMT -5
Guys I have one of pete's Encore plugs and have fired 8 shots trough it and all primers came out with ejector. I really like mine !!!
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Post by dave d. on Oct 27, 2011 10:06:30 GMT -5
that's great news pappa. Jeep us posted as you shoot it more.
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Post by boman on Oct 27, 2011 19:16:25 GMT -5
These are both nice looking plugs and am thinking of ordering one but I noticed the thread count is different. I assume they are not interchangeable?? If someone can expand upon this thought I would appreciate it. I am having a hard time understanding which shoulder the plugs headspace off of.
Steve
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Post by dave d. on Oct 27, 2011 19:28:56 GMT -5
:)steve they both have the same thread count. the first couple of pics were prototypes. both plugs will look like the last pic for threads and both are interchangable.
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Post by boman on Oct 27, 2011 19:36:30 GMT -5
Dave thanx, now its starting to make more sense to my little brain. can you tell me what the small diameter is which holds the ventliner as I am assuming there are two shoulders which the plug will headspace off of?
Steve
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Post by grouse on Oct 27, 2011 19:37:48 GMT -5
It's been along while since i have talked to pete on the phone. I cant believe he is charging that kind of price for a Omega breech plug.  New and better idea's is great for everyone, but my Gosh sale it at a reasonable price. |
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Oct 27, 2011 20:45:55 GMT -5
I think it is a reasonable price... these arent mass produced they are individually made.... I had Encore plugs... fitted for a ventliner..didnt do what these plugs do. If the price is to steep for you then there are other options These arent stock omega plugs...look at the machine work....T/C plugs are mass produced..and yes they are about a third the price....But not near the quality as these. Which equates to no blowby which in turn equates to no soot or char marks on my $400 dollar scope. Kind of like how other mzl loaders...there are some that claim to do the same....but oh well...you know what I mean
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Post by killitgrillit on Oct 27, 2011 20:57:59 GMT -5
It's been along while since i have talked to pete on the phone. I cant believe he is charging that kind of price for a Omega breech plug. New and better idea's is great for everyone, but my Gosh sale it at a reasonable price. Ya get what ya pay for. P.S. I like mine |
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Post by dave d. on Oct 28, 2011 6:59:29 GMT -5
Steve one sealing surface. The snout you are referring to is a pressure diverter. It sits inside the lands and makes pressure make a extra 90 degree turn to get into the threads. Let me know if I explained this good enough to understand.
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Post by boman on Oct 28, 2011 8:04:42 GMT -5
The snout you are referring to is a pressure diverter.
That makes sense to me as I have a rudimentary understanding of the dynamics of internal combustion in a bottleneck cartridge---or automobile engine for that matter. It also makes sense from a machining standpoint to headspace off of one shoulder---
Thanx-----Steve
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guys I have included Ryan email address in the original post. If your interested in his plug email him. Also I have been asked the difference between the two plugs so here it is. Petes plug is nicer to look at and has a tapered primer pocket which we believe might allow for easy removal but has not been tested. I tested Ryans .242 straight pocket and I was able to get all but one out with my fingers ( extractor would do it. I've been asked if they will work in a omega and the answer is yes. 
New and better idea's is great for everyone, but my Gosh sale it at a reasonable price. 