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Post by seagirt on Sept 2, 2011 21:05:52 GMT -5
I see in my latest issue of the ASSRA Journal, there is a write up on the Oak Ridge club in TN. holding 1000yd. muzzleloading matches. Does anyone here shoot the Rigby .451 style long range match rifles?
I thought this traditional style of match shooting would take off with the growing popularity of BPCR mid & long range matches.
But it looks like most are content with 50 to 100yd, round ball guns.
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Post by 10ga on Sept 7, 2011 22:39:14 GMT -5
If you know enough ML guys it's pretty obvious they're ..., lets be polite now, call them quirky. The "buckskinners" think any ML built (period immitations are OK) after 1865 isn't an acceptable ML, also anything that isn't a sidehammer is also taboo, and if it's a double gun then it hasta be a smooth bore fowling piece. The guys that just wanna hunt and take advantage of the various ML seasons are mostly hunters, not shooters or really very knowledgeable about guns, this is obvious from the great sales volume of extremly low cost ML guns designed just for hunting at relativly short ranges typical of large calibre BP(and subs) hunting guns. The BPCR guys seem stuck in the mid to late 19th century but many are very knowledgable about their guns and reloading etc... many of them cast their own bullets, paper patch and most load their own ammo. It seems to be sort of an era kinda thing. Since the "Rigby" rifles and much of the long range ML shooting was in the early cartridge era seems most of the US guys are more into the BPCR stuff. If you are into SML it's pretty obvious that it, or any shooting sport, can be very time consuming and takes a bunch of $ for just one pretty narrow version. I just think that many guys kinda hafta make a choice and 1000 yd. ML match shooting really dosent have the allure or history of most of the others mentioned. SML has a pretty limited history too but it should be obvious to anyone who comes to this board that there is a very dedicated cadre of SMLers. As for numbers I have no idea how many guys shoot SML but I think it's more than 1000 yd. BPML match shooters. We just don't gather together to burn bunches of powder. It's much more hunting oriented. I am really pretty much a hunter. I first did MLing and ML hunting with my grandfather in the early 60s. I have 7 "smokey" guns, 4 are sidehammer and 3 slamfire. Now I also have 2 ML IIs and an Encore conversion, and am firmly into SML but I still shoot the old guns but don't hunt with them unless in and area where SML is not permitted. I could go on and on but... I guess this is kinda an epistle but it's raining and I can't get in the garden or go fishing, hunting, or shootin. My $.02 10 ga
ps: I don't shoot 1000 yd. long range ML matches, but if any were close and I could use my MLIIs I'd give them a try.
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Post by countryroads on Sept 10, 2011 3:47:44 GMT -5
I never heard of 1000yd muzzle loaders, I'd love to see that. I'm still working on a 250-300yd load for SML!
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Post by swampmen on Oct 17, 2011 18:09:40 GMT -5
Yes there a shoot in Mi at camp Grayling like that
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Post by deadon on Oct 17, 2011 18:18:28 GMT -5
10ga, +1
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Post by elmo on Mar 17, 2013 13:24:20 GMT -5
I realize that this an old thread but I shall reply anyway. The long range shoot at Oakridge is still going as far as I know. The rules (at least as of a few years ago) allow any traditional style ML. I wanted to try it and contacted the guy putting on the match and he confirmed this. By the way he is the only source of a platinum lined nipple which is essential for this sport. The pressures generated by the heavy bullets, 400+ grains and heavy charges will burn out a steel nipple with one shot. I built a rifle to compete there but have not found a 1000 yd range that was accessible to me.
I used a TC Renegade as a basis. I had a GM cartridge ( 1 in 18") breeched for a ML. I used a Lyman apature front modified with a spirit level. I used a vernier tang sight modified by a guy in Illinois to lower it enough to work on a ML. I used 97 1/2 grains Swiss # 1 1/2 behind a 500 grain bullet from a Lyman mold. RWS Caps. A funnel is necessary that will allow the powder to be poured in without touching the bore, I made one from a piece of copper tubing long enough to reach the breech. I used a disc of lube sandwiched between two card wads between powder and bullet. The bullet is a Rapine 451500 lubed in a Lyman lubrisizer without sizing.
It weighed 435 grains. The last time I shot it I had 5 shots in 7" at 637 yards from cross sticks prone. A very good powder measure that will throw absolutely consistent charges is essential. A Niel Jones measure is perfect. The recoil is significant so someypthing is necessary to protect your shoulder.
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Post by lik2hnt on Mar 22, 2013 15:14:00 GMT -5
Elmo, could you please give me any information you can on who converted the barrel for you? I have been looking for something like that.
Thanks
Bill
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Post by elmo on Mar 26, 2013 13:29:14 GMT -5
I got the barrel from Green Mountain, .45 caliber 1 in18 twist. I got the breech plug from Track of the wolf, look in breech plugs go to TC breech plugs. I sent it to Pecatonica River for breaching and installing the barrel loop. I sent the original barrel so they could get the loop in the right place. I got the platinum lined nipple through the guy who runs the 1000 yd match in oak ridge, TN. I cannot remember who did the vernier tang sight.
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Post by elmo on Mar 26, 2013 13:37:58 GMT -5
I used a die to extrude lube about as wide and thick as a stick of chewing gum in my loading press. The lube used on the bullet and the lube disc were SPG lube.
Elmo
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Post by squeeze on Apr 8, 2013 8:26:03 GMT -5
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Post by 03mossy on Apr 8, 2013 11:15:07 GMT -5
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Post by GMB54-120 on Apr 8, 2013 11:59:25 GMT -5
They are very sweet looking and shooting rifles. I noticed they also offer a Gibbs Hunter but only in 72 caliber.  |
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Post by elmo on Apr 10, 2013 17:36:26 GMT -5
Those rifles cost two to three times more than converting a renegade and there is no possible way that they will outshoot my Renegade. Just saying.
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Post by rssc on May 16, 2013 22:10:47 GMT -5
I'm the guy who puts on the LRML match at Oak Ridge. Have done so for the past 16 years. It is the best group of shooters I know and have shot with-usually about 30-40 shooters. It is very casual and everyone tries to help others going and it's set up for new shooters as well as experienced ones.
Please know that there are many types of ML shooters. Primitive type that wear the buckskins etc are still protecting he pre-1840 era stuff. If you want to learn more, check out the NMLRA. This is where LRML started for me as I was there in 1992 when it started. Their range is only to 500, that's why I started shooting 1000 at my local range in Oak Ridge, TN. And yes, I shoot an original Ridgy!
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