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Post by mdgroundhogger on Mar 22, 2011 20:37:21 GMT -5
Ok, I'll get a debate going here on the board. I'm thinking of a fun, accurate paper/target gun. I have a Mark III Ruger but now I'm looking for something alittle bigger. I'm going with 9mm for this reason (I already have my self defense needs met by way of 1911 and 870 ;D). But I do want to know what people think about the full size G17 or G34, M&P 9, and the XDM9 or XD9. I really want this gun so I can play weekend SWAT team man! (I still try to be cool, even though my wife says may "cool" days have passed  ) Oh yeah and I know somebody is going to notice that I left out the Sig or the Beretta. I carried both of them for years and I'm just looking in another direction currently. |
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Post by chuck41 on Mar 22, 2011 20:47:41 GMT -5
The XD series is really hard to beat. I don't have one now but likely with have an XD9SC in the near future. Have a friend that has pretty much the whole "stable" of them. Loves them dearly and after shooting a couple I can certainly see why. I love the 9mm. Big enough to make a creditable self-defense weapon and still uses what is possibly the most available and cheapest center fire auto HG ammo around. Also pretty easy to reload if you are into that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2011 21:52:48 GMT -5
If you like your Mark 111 Ruger you might look into another Ruger. I have a Ruger P89 and a Ruger P95, both 9mm. Both are very reliable and sturdy pistols. The P95 is more accurate than the P89. They shoot as good as my sons Glock. For the price I think they can't be beat.
Zen
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Post by 161 on Mar 23, 2011 7:49:14 GMT -5
I'm a Glock man all the way. As long as you maintain the mag springs and recoil spring it'll always go bang. Very little time you can learn how to completely dissemble and clean. Tons of neat things available after market. Down side you could take 100 of them apart throw all the parts in a bucket shake it and reassemble 100 guns. Very loose tolerance. Thats why the work. But they're made to shoot a man sized target at 25 yards and they will. I've been around the XD a little and they seem to work well and shoot well sure they're a good gun. Don't know anything about the S&W. Had some bad experience with the 4006 I was forced to carry so I haven't been a great fan of S&w autos. Like their revolvers. Also I've had guys have trouble finding holsters they like for the XD but thats likely because they haven't been out as long as the Glock
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Post by mdgroundhogger on Mar 23, 2011 11:22:10 GMT -5
161, I honestly have never been a big glock fan. I've always stayed clear of the "teflon" guns. Here recently though I've watched quite a bit of people shooting them and they are to say the least failproof. I know that Glock has been well respected as a go to gun for the military and police for quite some time and thats why I'm starting to change my mind about them. The simplicity of the Glock is what makes it appealing. I've had people tell me they don't like the Glock. And most of the time those people don't really have a good reason for not liking them. Nobody ever says they are not accurate, they don't function, they break. I've never heard any of those things about them. I do admit that they do feel like a toy. Albeit a very deadly toy!!!So I'm not quite sure why they don't care for them. Chuck, my 1911 is a Springfield and I love it. I've never had any issues with it. I work at the "Goose" part time and I get to handle all of these guns on a regular basis. All three feel pretty good in my hand. The Glock 17gen4 is simple, no frills and feels light and very manageable. The M&P is nice, sturdy and has a really nice feel with the large backstrap. That XDM9 looks like something out of a movie. And it does carry a certain BA factor with it. I'm just torn because I would probably go Glock or Springfield but I don't have any range experience with either.  |
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Post by 161 on Mar 23, 2011 11:42:01 GMT -5
The gen 4s have a horrible trigger pull. A Glock trigger takes some getting use to. But they bumped up the springs on the striker and the striker block. Mostly because cops don't maintain their weapons. The result is about a 7 lbs trigger thats called a 5.5 lbs. Glocks shoot better than most people. Just not bullseye guns. XDs have a better feeling trigger.
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Post by pposey on Mar 23, 2011 12:01:36 GMT -5
Glock Glock Glock Glock,,,,, yeppers I like Glocks,
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Post by pposey on Mar 23, 2011 12:02:55 GMT -5
I've put several thousand full power 10mm loads though my 1st gen model 20 and it continues to rock on
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Post by jims on Mar 23, 2011 19:06:55 GMT -5
I have never had one of my Glocks fail to fire, they are ugly but reliability is beautiful.
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Post by 161 on Mar 23, 2011 20:23:16 GMT -5
Truly the finest in tactical Tupperware.
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Post by Jed on Mar 24, 2011 14:35:44 GMT -5
True story - I took my wife to a gun store a couple weeks ago to look at a Glock and a M&P 9mm. We both handled the guns, dry fired them, racked the slide and dropped the magazines. I like both, but would probably lean toward the M&P because of the ergos. It fit my hand great. I haven't shot either before...I have been a revolver guy up to this point. But I don't think you will notice a great deal of difference in performance. I would pick which one fits my hand better.
Her response was this: The Glock is lighter and the name is cool. You should get a Glock because it sounds cool and more intimidating than "smith and wesson."
(She's not a gun-person, but I thought it was a funny way to choose: coolness of name! The other stuff (except weight) doesn't matter to her.)
Maybe her response will help you out too...it kinda swayed me toward the Glock! (But i haven't laid down the cash yet)
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Post by mdgroundhogger on Mar 24, 2011 19:57:40 GMT -5
Just got home from work and I made sure I really paid attention to how they felt in "my" hand. I can say this much the Glock felt like I had an extra index finger. Don't get me wrong the XDM and the M&P went up nice too but that glock just felt like an extention of my hand. I also held the Ruger SR9, H&K and Sig 226. That 226 is really nice but alittle pricey. The way the Glock felt may be the deciding factor for me. I would still like to shoot the G17, M&P9 and the XDM9 though.
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Post by tcmech on Mar 24, 2011 20:48:08 GMT -5
I have a glock 17 on my hip as I type this so I am definitely prejudiced.
I would buy a glock if it was me, more due to the fact that when you have a couple of them already it's nice to kind of keep them the same.
That being said, I really like the xd45 (I have never shot an xd9) and I was impressed, very impressed with the way it shot, not enough to sell my glock 36 and buy an xd, but mostly since the xd is not made in a similar format.
I have fondled the s&w and I think I would have bought one of the compacts in 9mm for my wife if she would have preferred it over the pt709 that she did like.
I would buy whichever one you like the best, I think that you are basically asking if you should buy a lexus or an infinity. No wrong answer here.
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Post by 161 on Mar 24, 2011 21:13:39 GMT -5
If you buy a Glock 17 and decide later you want to run a G36 or G17 Long slide. It'll fit on the same frame. The long slide is 6.5 inch. I have the G22 and a G24 slide. If you look around you can find complete uppers for $250.00
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Post by mdgroundhogger on Mar 25, 2011 11:50:41 GMT -5
If you buy a Glock 17 and decide later you want to run a G36 or G17 Long slide. It'll fit on the same frame. The long slide is 6.5 inch. I have the G22 and a G24 slide. If you look around you can find complete uppers for $250.00 What's the accuracy like on that 17L? I don't know if I can shoot good enough to tell the difference. I know that it and the G34 will offer a narrower/longer sight picture which should cause you to be more accurate. The G34 is what they use in ISPCA shoots, correct? |
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Post by chuck41 on Mar 25, 2011 13:37:37 GMT -5
What a terrible problem you have.  You have to choose between several dozen excellent choices!! Glock, S&W, Ruger, Springfield, etc. Perhaps you should just line them all out and invite Jed to bring his wife over to make a choice for you. Of course she might pick the Glock just because of how it sounds, or you might end up with a florescent pink one. ;D ;D |
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Post by mdgroundhogger on Mar 25, 2011 13:50:39 GMT -5
What a terrible problem you have. You have to choose between several dozen excellent choices!! Glock, S&W, Ruger, Springfield, etc. Perhaps you should just line them all out and invite Jed to bring his wife over to make a choice for you. Of course she might pick the Glock just because of how it sounds, or you might end up with a florescent pink one. ;D ;D . Yeah I'm starting to realize this is more of a choice like the "Are you a Chevy or Ford type guy". |
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Post by 161 on Mar 25, 2011 14:31:12 GMT -5
I've never shot a 17 LS. I shot the G24 in USPSA for 10 years because I wanted to make the major power factor. Then they came out with the G35 .40 cal./ G36 9MM. The reason for the change I was told by a Glock rep. was The 17 LS and G24 are 6.5 in barrels. Fine for USPSA but to long for the IDPA so they knocked an inch off the barrel. Some cops carry the 35/36. I think when they came out someone hung the name Practical Tactical on them. But I'm not sure. A little more sight radius and slight FPS boost. Down side slower slide speed. If that matters I couldn't shoot faster than it could cycle.
Warren
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Post by 161 on Mar 25, 2011 14:41:32 GMT -5
I did have a chance to shoot a G18, the 9mm select fire. The slide was factory lightened, barrel was ported. Don't remember what he said the RPM was but it was around 1200. It would empty a 32 rnd mag. in 1.5 seconds. Very controllable you could dump 32 rnd in one pull of the trigger and keep them all in a FBI Q target one handed at 7 yards. The ejection port literally looked like a drinking fountain with the brass rolling out. ;D ;D
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Post by tcmech on Mar 25, 2011 17:41:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure what everyone thinks a G36 is but it's not a 9mm. The G36 is a single stack 45acp.
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Post by mdgroundhogger on Mar 25, 2011 18:28:53 GMT -5
I'm not sure what everyone thinks a G36 is but it's not a 9mm. The G36 is a single stack 45acp. Yeah the G34 is the 9mm. It has an open section on the top of the slide to reduce weight but cycle the longer barrel with the stock 17 spring. Or atleast thats how I took it.  |
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Post by 161 on Mar 26, 2011 6:13:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure what everyone thinks a G36 is but it's not a 9mm. The G36 is a single stack 45acp. Your right sorry. I just don't mess with the 9mm. Not that I have anything against them. I'm just set up to load the .40. My mistake. But since you brought it up I "think" if you have a G22 and buy a G17 upper all you need to do is buy 9mm mags. and change the ejector. Or 17 to 22. Don't know that would be worth while but it could be done. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. Warren |
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Post by 161 on Mar 26, 2011 6:19:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure what everyone thinks a G36 is but it's not a 9mm. The G36 is a single stack 45acp. Yeah the G34 is the 9mm. It has an open section on the top of the slide to reduce weight but cycle the longer barrel with the stock 17 spring. Or atleast thats how I took it. It's so you "drop in" a compensated barrel. About $120.00 from Glock. Warren I have story about a factory comp. barrel getting into a non-comp slide and shot about 1000 rnds. if your interested in hearing it? |
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Post by pposey on Mar 30, 2011 22:58:47 GMT -5
I did have a chance to shoot a G18, the 9mm select fire. The slide was factory lightened, barrel was ported. Don't remember what he said the RPM was but it was around 1200. It would empty a 32 rnd mag. in 1.5 seconds. Very controllable you could dump 32 rnd in one pull of the trigger and keep them all in a FBI Q target one handed at 7 yards. The ejection port literally looked like a drinking fountain with the brass rolling out. ;D ;D Ya I got to shoot one of those,,, about 6-7 clips and I giggled like a school boy for the last 5-6,,, |
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Post by chuck41 on Mar 31, 2011 22:03:25 GMT -5
This is kinda off topic, but I went to a gun store earlier this week and was looking for a Ruger 10/22. Found two, one stainless and the other blue that had, honest to God, fluorescent pink stocks!  I am sure Jed's wife (and possibly mine as well) would have approved even though they did not have a cool name like "Glock". ;D |
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Post by thelefthand on Apr 18, 2011 22:09:08 GMT -5
I've shot them all, but I'm a 1911 man myself. The glocks are fantastic weapons, but I just don't like the way they feel. We used to call them everything from the wife's tupperware to Glugs (that's the sound they make when you use them for a boat anchor), but we all had to admit that it was a fine design, and a well made piece of equipment. I've tried dozens of them over the years. Every time I get a chance to shoot someone's at the range, I take advantage of it, and I've never found one that I happen to like. I can shoot them, and shoot them well, but I don't like the way they feel. I've never held Springfield in high regards when it comes to making a tack driving pistol, especially their 1911s, but their pistols ARE well built, reliable, and more accurate than the majority of the shooters out there. As for the XD series, it is an excellent design. I have nothing good to say about any of the Smith Auto's. I haven't shot a lot of them since they went under and were bought out, but I have shot a few including their version of the 1911. Not too bad, but not near worth the money. I'd take a $300 worn out GI model springfield over a brand new smith 1911 any day. Not sure why, but that's just me. Then again, my 1911's say Kimber on the slide There's my 2 bits. Mark |
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Post by mdgroundhogger on Apr 19, 2011 16:27:31 GMT -5
Well I've put a piece of Tupperware on layaway at the Goose. Unfortunately it was the 17C, because they had sold out of the 17 and 17Gen4. I would have rather just had a plain jane 17. I've heard about the flash, noise and how the comp won't help on a 9mm (G17C). I grabbed it while they were on sale for $499. So I guess we'll see. I'm hoping they get some more in before my layaway is done and I can swap for the plain 17.  |
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Post by 161 on Apr 19, 2011 18:40:13 GMT -5
You'll like the 17C. Just be careful if you ever have to use it in a self defense situation. If a part of you is to close to the top of the slide the ports will let you know. Enjoy.
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Post by billyzink on Apr 21, 2011 22:25:31 GMT -5
Ok, I'll get a debate going here on the board. I'm thinking of a fun, accurate paper/target gun. I have a Mark III Ruger but now I'm looking for something alittle bigger. I'm going with 9mm for this reason (I already have my self defense needs met by way of 1911 and 870 ;D). But I do want to know what people think about the full size G17 or G34, M&P 9, and the XDM9 or XD9. I really want this gun so I can play weekend SWAT team man! (I still try to be cool, even though my wife says may "cool" days have passed ) Oh yeah and I know somebody is going to notice that I left out the Sig or the Beretta. I carried both of them for years and I'm just looking in another direction currently. I have them all, and like them all but the xdm is the most accurate!!! |
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You have to choose between several dozen excellent choices!! Glock, S&W, Ruger, Springfield, etc. 
I am sure Jed's wife (and possibly mine as well) would have approved even though they did not have a cool name like "Glock". ;D