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Post by tnlwsn272 on Dec 26, 2010 20:22:47 GMT -5
Does anyone shoot the white mountain carbine50 caliber by Tc? I have a nice one but I am not too crazy about it. Someone put see through mounts on it and the scope I have on it does not have enough relief. It is in very nice shape but I was wondering if they were any good? I found high eye relief scopes but I do not want to spend any on it if it want serve my purpose as a 100yard deer rifle. I appreciate any help or advice. Thanks!
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Post by whyohe on Dec 27, 2010 6:08:00 GMT -5
why are you not too crazy about it? does it not give you the accuracy you are looking for? if you dont like the mounts the put flush mounts and a scope with the eye releaf you need. if you have accuracy issues this could fix them. I have found if you are not comfortable when you shoot it will hurt your accuracy.
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Post by k on Dec 27, 2010 18:03:23 GMT -5
i have one and like it alot.mine has a 1/20" twist barrel and shoots a variety of loads well.with a scope you should easily have a 100yd gun.yours could also have i believe a 1/38"twist barrel.you can check this with your ramrod and a tight patch to measure the rotation in the bore.you can pick up a cheap fixed power scope and be shooting it fine in short order.if you have any more ? i,ll answer them the best i can........karl
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Post by tnlwsn272 on Dec 27, 2010 18:35:29 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies! In 2005 my home burnt and i lost my inline muzzle loader and a uncle gave me this carbine. It is beautiful and in great shape but I was told it sometimes didn't go off. I love the dead center sabots from Cabela's in 200 grain and have killed deer with it. What would I use in my muzzle loader now,since it is not a inline? Can I convert this rifle to a different primer type? Can I use 777powder? Natchez has a scope with 8inch relief and one with 6inch relief. I can try one of those maybe. I miss my inline but I always will miss it and all my other rifles too. Are musket caps hotter than number 11 caps? I am sorry for so many questions but I would like to start setting this gun up and maybe get to liking it more. Thanks for any help!
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Post by 10ga on Dec 28, 2010 16:22:46 GMT -5
The musket caps are hotter and a nipple for them should be available at Mountain State Manufacturing, see link. They are called "Spitfire" and I have them on all my sidehammer guns, #11 or musket. You can get them for #11 caps or musket caps. Only problem could be the hammer. It has to align just right for the musket caps since they are bigger. If your current hammer strikes the existing #11 nipple centered, square and true there shouldn't be a problem with using the larger in diameter musket nipple. That has been my experience. Also if you have any problems with ignition stick with real black powder. It ignites way better than any of the substitutes and shoots very good in the guns made for it. It can be somewhat harder to find than the substitutes but just buy a good sypply when you find it. I suggest FFF in a .50 carbine. 10 ga www.msmfg.com/
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Post by kopodd on Dec 28, 2010 18:47:49 GMT -5
Re; White Mountain Carbine
Funny that this topic should come up right now. I just bought a wmc in a 50 last week. It's a nice light little gun that I like very much. In searching for more info on it I googled wmc and the second link was for dougs pro boards. The thread was from 2005 but one of the posters was Douglas Blair. He said that one thing to watch out for was that in some guns the front tang screw is wood screw that only goes into the wood. There is a tang update whereby that screw should be a machine screw that threads into the trigger guard, which it is tapped for. He said that he had two wmc that were'nt updated and the stock split on both of them because of it. So I called TC today to see if they could fix it but they said no. They did say they would replace the stock if it did split if they could find one. The stock on my gun is really nice with beautiful tiger striping and rich color. I think that if they could even find another one it would be half as nice. I'm afraid to shoot it for fear of splitting it, but it's not much fun having a great gun you can't shoot. Could a good gunsmith do this? Any advice welcome.
Thanks
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Post by tnlwsn272 on Dec 28, 2010 23:23:23 GMT -5
I think, I might see if I can sell it and put the money on another inline it should be worth 160 for mounts too. It needs screws put in one mount because I took the out and lost them. It is clean and nice.
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Post by Douglas on Jan 5, 2011 0:38:39 GMT -5
kopodd, This is Douglas Blair again lol. You failed to say if your stock has the wood screws or have the updated front tang screw.
A good gunsmith should be able to update the stock. Another remedy might be to glass bed the hooked breech tang are so as to make a more uniform bearing recoil area, as well as to add strenghth to the stock. Douglas
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Post by tnlwsn272 on Jan 5, 2011 8:26:49 GMT -5
What if you added glass bedding in the tang area. Take a little wood out and add bedding back?
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Post by tnlwsn272 on Jan 5, 2011 8:35:29 GMT -5
After contacting dead center sabots I decided to hold on to my white mountain carbine, as they will shoot great. They (Dead center sabots) suggest I try a load of 110grain 777 with their 300 grain silver lightening bullet. I am converting to musket cap and and adding a high eye relief scope. I have shot in-lines for years and its hard to go back but the groups with these bullets are just soooo sweet.
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Post by Douglas on Jan 5, 2011 23:46:12 GMT -5
Adding glass bedding in the tang area was what I was suggesting.
Be careful with heavy loads if your gun hasn't been updated. The heavy recoiling loads is what will split your stock.
I 10 to 1 would rather have a side lock than an in line. They are much easier to clean IMHO not to mention are much nicer to look at.
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Post by 13point on Jan 11, 2011 18:48:45 GMT -5
I have one of these in the back of the safe. It's been at least 10 years since I've had it out. I started out with one of the Muzzleloaders that looked like a kit gun with all the heavy brass. I couldn't believe it when I picked the WMC up at the store. I still think they are cool little ml's.
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Post by David on Jan 23, 2011 21:50:50 GMT -5
Send me a PM if you decide ot sell.
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Post by buck3697 on Feb 26, 2011 17:25:46 GMT -5
Hi, I am a new member today and read with interest the WMC discussion. Every year since 1994 I have hunted whitetail with my .54 cal., and have tried a few others but always go back. It is one of my favorite guns, and love the way it looks and feels and shoots. The first stock cracked, sent it back to TC and they gave me a new one with incredibly beautiful wood grain. That one cracked too, but by that time TC had a fire and lost much of their inventory and could only offer me a plain stock, which I declined and had a gunsmith epoxy the crack and do some bedding work about 7 years ago. It has been fine since I had not heard about the tang bedding screw. Does that apply to the .54 as well? Can a gun as old as mine be refitted? The tang screw does not seem to be angled toward the the screw hole in the trigger guard, so can it be re-angled to hit the front hole and be tapped? Any thoughts or ideas welcome.
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Post by deadon on Feb 26, 2011 17:38:48 GMT -5
Hi, I am a new member today and read with interest the WMC discussion. Every year since 1994 I have hunted whitetail with my .54 cal., and have tried a few others but always go back. It is one of my favorite guns, and love the way it looks and feels and shoots. The first stock cracked, sent it back to TC and they gave me a new one with incredibly beautiful wood grain. That one cracked too, but by that time TC had a fire and lost much of their inventory and could only offer me a plain stock, which I declined and had a gunsmith epoxy the crack and do some bedding work about 7 years ago. It has been fine since I had not heard about the tang bedding screw. Does that apply to the .54 as well? Can a gun as old as mine be refitted? The tang screw does not seem to be angled toward the the screw hole in the trigger guard, so can it be re-angled to hit the front hole and be tapped? Any thoughts or ideas welcome. I do not have enough A#$ to shoot a 54 so all I can do is welcome you ;D Rusty
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Post by buck3697 on Feb 27, 2011 18:10:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome Rusty. I live in big buck country in Western Wisconsin and when you hit one where you should with a 405 gr bullet from the .54 they don't move off the spot. Felt recoil seems to be less than my 3" turkey gun. But the 2 cracked stocks must mean there is something going on that is not quite right. When everyone was going to .50 cal. a few years ago I thought I had to also and picked up a new TC Black Mountain Magnum in .50. Shot it few times, sold it and went back to my .54. When TC stopped making the WMC in .54 I bought a couple of them as spares in case I have a problem with my old one that can't be fixed---I like it that much.
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Post by 221fireball on Feb 2, 2012 7:27:39 GMT -5
i bought a new wmc way back when they first came out. mine shot great with pyrodex and 295 powerbelts. i think i killed 12-13 bucks and 1 bear with it before retiring it for a inline. those gun are so short and lightweight to carry.
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Post by brad502 on Feb 14, 2012 23:31:05 GMT -5
wow sure are a lot of WMC lovers out there. i am one of them. the gun is sweet to handle and shoots better than minute of deer. i use the t/c tang sight and a fiber optic front, with 100gr T7 under 350 Hndy FTB. i haven't got it on a deer yet but it will hold 3" at 100 yds. maybe next season.....
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Post by buckhunter46755 on Mar 25, 2012 15:06:10 GMT -5
I havw owned a WMC in a .50cal for many years and love it. It nakes a really nice treestand and blind gun due to overall short length. Triple-7 works well for me. As well as Pyrodex. Being a side lock I would stay away from using powder pellets unless you add some loose first. I believe mine has the 1:28 twist. It is fairly accurate out to 100 yards, but shoots a lot tighter groups at 75yrds and under. I usually shoot patched round balls and about 70gr of Triple 7 or 90gr of Pyrodex RS both in loose. I just use the iron sights on this particular ML. If you are looking for a decent scope try a Simmons 4x32 ProDiamond shotgun scope. It has a diamond reticle and maintains zero very well. I have one on my TC Omega and love it. For a cheap scope it has clear optics, good light gathering, easily thumb-style adjustments, and maintains zero. At first I was leary about getting a cheap scope but have been very pleased with it. It also has a large eye relieve. Can't remember. Either 4-1/2" or 5-1/2". I would just use the iron sights on that particular rifle. But that is just personal preference. The NIKON OMEGA is also another really nice scope for ML's. The WMC also shoots the Maxi-Huner and Maxi-Ball conicals very well. I cant't remember how much powder I used with that bullet. But it kicks like a mule using those big 450gr conicals. But they will knock a deer right on it's A$$!!! I shot a huge bodied 7 pointer a few years back just using a patched roundball and open sight at about 70yards. Hope this helps!
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Post by edwardamason on Mar 26, 2012 16:40:16 GMT -5
I love my WMC. Probably my favorite percussion ML of all time. I picked it up years ago when inline was all the rage and nobody wanted a percussion Ml. Guy was asking $100 bucks. I offered him .$75 and he took it. Gotta love it when a deal like that comes around.
Its a .50 cal which I consider somewhat a light bore size for round ball but it shoots Sabots really well. The .452 xtp with 100 Gr of Pyrodex is deer killing recipe that has proven itself over and over in the field and this ML likes them. I guess if I need to go after something bigger than Whitetail I have plenty of .54 cal .58 cals and .62 cal that can fill that role. I think I will keep it just the way it is.
Ive considered several times sending it off to have it bored to .54 cal but it shoots so well now I hate to mess with it.
I did some 150 yard testing last year. It drops about 8 inches with a 100 yard site in. Groups were about the size of your fist at that distance Not to shabby for a light woods ML.
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Post by buzzard2 on Dec 22, 2013 21:27:34 GMT -5
Glad I came upon this thread. I'll have to check my tang screws. I shoot 80 Grains 3F Goex behind a 240 Grain Hornady XTP .44 cal bullet inside a green sabot. I shoot up to 100 yards. Can't find many woods shots longer than that in New Jersey. I still use #11 RWS caps, but may switch to the musket nipple.
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Post by hydrodog on Dec 25, 2013 10:13:22 GMT -5
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