BH209 temp sensitive?

[midohhntr]

Dec 14, 2010 9:59:33 GMT -5 rangeball said:

midohhntr, which primer are you using?

Winchester 209, unmodified breechplug that came with the gun.

[rangeball]

Thanks.

[rmclaughlin]

Here in Oklahoma ,our muzzlleloader season falls in the last of Oct-first of Nov so temps not extreme.My encore with bp209 is my backup gun since i bought my savage but it shoots all the time no problems.I go back to the black powder days when we had to fire 2 primers before we loaded up,I still do it with my encore ,and my savage.(old habits) Winchester 209 primers are what I use

[Jon]

I'm just a smokeless shooter thus the question? I've seen many references to bh209 is actually a smokeless powder with a little smoke added. I might add a slight loss in velocity. No offense meant don't you think it is time to get off the fence?
Jon

[rmclaughlin]

I have not seen that in writing.I hope you are correct.

[epanzella]

I shot a doe last sat with my encore after leaving loaded for a week. It was 20 degrees and the Winchester 209 had instant ignition.

[kotaman]

Hunted 16 days during ND's Muzzleloader Season once again with BH209 in fairly extreme temps. I have to say, there are some issues in extreme temps but I do believe it is from the powder and/or primers not staying dry. I had a heck of a time coming in from sub zero temps to the vehicle with moisture. I actually had two hang fires during the season. I finally changed my load out everyday after hunting and eliminated the problems.

I feel strongly that in extreme conditions with BH209, you are safer to drop the load each night and start fresh. By the way I use CCIM primers.

I will also say that in temps above 20 degrees the problems seem to go away.

[petev]

Dec 10, 2010 6:28:11 GMT -5 budga82832 said:

ohioguy, Wow hundreds of sh..ts no misfires and very accurate and safe. Sorry, but I lost it when I saw your typo error. We need a good laugh every now an then. Thanks, Somedays work is very stressful and you need a good laugh. Happy Holidays.....

That's one for the bloopers!!!

[petev]

In my Omega, in temps around 20 deg., I have had no misfires with BH209 and regular CCI primers. I think the thread is heading in the direction of the design of the rifle/breechplug as the culprit. I think that Don of Western Powders has given some valuable information concerning breechplugs. I love BH209, and fortunaltely have a rifle that will shoot it reliably and well.

[davewolf]

I've used BH209 and CCIM primers in temp extremes from 100-degrees to 13-below and have not had a single misfire. I do bring my Triumph indoors after a hunt, but, do not clean it after every outing. I clean it at least once a week however.
Thus far I've been able to take 34 groundhogs, and 7 whitetails with it, No problems, but I always keep my fingers crossed.
Have a great day!
Dave

[GMB54-120]

It appears that only 2 guns have OEM breach plugs that are nearly 100%. One was the gun used to develop BH209...The Savage. The other is the Omega, you rarely hear about an Omega not going BOOM every time.

The Traditions Vortek is also supposed to be very good but thats only based on 1 review from someone who has Traditions as a sponsor.

The MLII and Omega use totally different designs and achieve basically 100% ignition. The Savage plug is longer (more volume) and has a slightly larger flash hole. The Omega uses a "powder pocket" that is much closer to the primer and a fairly small flash hole.

They both work well with the correct primer and both designs can be applied to a newer CVA for better BH209 ignition. Ive tried both styles in an Accura 45 and WinApex 50cal without a single hangfire but only down to about 28-30F. One day it was about 30-35F and raining/sleeting the whole day.

[Deleted]

Dudley from CVA says they are working on a direct replacement breech plug for BH209 / pellets. If they cant get the QRBP to work with both, they'll make it strictly for BH209 and sell it as an accessory.

[frozentundra]

Here is a test I did a week or so ago, I have a modified BP with a Lehigh vent liner.
I was hoping it would have been colder out that night but I will try it again the next time it's -10 or colder out.

So far no problems even without cleaning the flash hole and flame channel. The most I have shot is 20 shots, by then I'm cold and head inside.

[sqezer]

Just to weigh in for what its worth I have a .45 Knight Disc Extreme with the factory BP, I've shot 2 jugs of BH-209 using 209 ccim primers with no misfires or hang fires what so ever. I bought a new BP to modify but have not had to as of yet.

[rangeball]

Dec 25, 2010 15:14:43 GMT -5 frontiergander said:

Dudley from CVA says they are working on a direct replacement breech plug for BH209 / pellets. If they cant get the QRBP to work with both, they'll make it strictly for BH209 and sell it as an accessory.

Did he give an ETA for the new plug design?

[Deleted]

no but im sure it wont be long. They seem to want to get this right

[rangeball]

Thanks. Please keep us posted. Well me for sure

[epanzella]

I recently switched to BH209 and have used about half a 10 oz container in my Encore. I had been using 100 gr BH209, W209 primer and MMP black sabot with 300 gr .452 Hornady XTP without incident and got my deer with it this year. I recently bought Orange MMP sabots with their sub base wads and went to the range today. I loaded 120 gr BH209, W209 primer orange sabot & base behind 300 gr 458 jacketed HP. They load just as tight as the previous load. First try -POP! Next primer fired load OK. Next shot fired OK. Third shot mild hangfire, not an eternity but a distinct click-bang. The gun had been cleaned (including decarbonizing the flash hole/flash channel) and a cap was fired prior to the first loading. It was real cold, pobably below 20 degrees. My new load was tight on the powder and shouldn't have been any harder to light than before. Was it the cold? I've shot in the 20's before but never as cold as today. I have been trying unsuccessfully to get some CCI 209M primers but the winchesters seem to be the only game in town short of mail ordering 1000 CCI's and paying the associated HAZMAT fee. I hear so much both ways about mag primers with BH209 in the cold, and before today I was telling people the winchesters work fine (including a post on this thread). This whole thing freaks me out because I can't even tell if the problem is fixed unless I happen to get a super-cold day to test. Do I need mag primers or do I modify my Encore plug or both?

[k]

does your gun have any blowback showing at the breech?

[GMB54-120]

Jan 6, 2011 22:16:12 GMT -5 k said:

does your gun have any blowback showing at the breech?

I was wondering the same thing. The best igniting plugs have also been the cleanest for me. I would still use a mag primer if it was really cold or if i had any doubts.

Also is the Encore plug the same as an Omega?

[kenny549]

I have shot my guns some more since I had the hangfire with the BH209 and I have paid close attn to the breach plug. I have found quite a bit of carbon in the flame channel after about 10 shots. I have been using a small drill bit to remove the carbon an small wire to make sure the flash hole is open. I now think the problem was the carbon in the flame channel. I now trust BH209 and will be confident when using it in cold weather. I believe this is the best BP sub. made. Good Luck To All

[k]

Jan 6, 2011 22:37:35 GMT -5 GMB54-120 said:

Jan 6, 2011 22:16:12 GMT -5 k said:

does your gun have any blowback showing at the breech?

I was wondering the same thing. The best igniting plugs have also been the cleanest for me. I would still use a mag primer if it was really cold or if i had any doubts.

Also is the Encore plug the same as an Omega?

yes the non speed breech encore and omega use the same plug.......karl

[epanzella]

Jan 6, 2011 22:16:12 GMT -5 k said:

does your gun have any blowback showing at the breech?

I had a lot with 777 but very little with the BH209. I have a dremel drill bit set that has the bit for the flash channel and the one for the flash hole. I clean both every time the gun is cleaned.
Ed P