orion
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Post by orion on Oct 20, 2010 12:22:40 GMT -5
I am always in search of ultimate carry or packing guns. Typically I have two categories: one for field or woods, and one for other-such as going to "doings" where a full sized auto or revolver is just not going to work as they will likely be noticed and frowned upon. I know many use the same gun (beware of that guy as they say).
Many times during summer during hot weather, trying to keep a gun concealed is hard. The new micro .380's seem to be a big hit. I have never owned one or shot one. Do any of you folks have one and what are your thoughts on them? I am talking about the various Keltecs, LCP's, tarus, micro khar, and the new smith bodyguard that only hold about six rounds not the various larger versions like the Bersa, or Berreta, PPk etc. . I checked out a .380 smith body guard with a laser on it the other day at a gun shop and it sure seemed nice.
Just curious .
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Post by billc on Oct 20, 2010 17:53:04 GMT -5
I have a LCP. Suprisingly accurate for a small DA pistol. Easy to carry inside the waist band and hides well. A 380 in my hand is a lot better than a 45 at home.
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Post by boarhog on Oct 21, 2010 1:02:47 GMT -5
I like the Ruger LCP, and the Kel-tec 3AP(?) version just as well. I just bought a pair of Ruger LCR revolvers for my wife and me to use for concealed carry. Very little larger than the LCP and much less likely to hang up due to pocket lint, etc. Plus, my wife has problems cocking an auto pistol. Either is a good choice. Much better than not carrying because your pistol is too heavy.
Boarhog
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Oct 21, 2010 4:49:50 GMT -5
DO NOT get an AMT .380 DA....think it is the "back up" model. Awesome exterior design with a horribly designed trigger linkage that comes apart when trigger is pulled with tension to one side.
The same model in .45 ACP has a completly different linkage and I would recommend that gun. It's only a little bigger and carries in a pocket very well. I think a 5 rd single stack mag
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Post by dans on Oct 21, 2010 9:03:56 GMT -5
Have a Ruger LCP. Carry it in my front pocket. Can forget it is there. Shoots minute of dangerous target at 10 feet which is the farthest I practice with it. No cocking, double action only and a long trigger pull but not a problem when fear motivated.
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Post by mike3132 on Oct 23, 2010 18:26:14 GMT -5
DO NOT get an AMT .380 DA....think it is the "back up" model. Awesome exterior design with a horribly designed trigger linkage that comes apart when trigger is pulled with tension to one side. The same model in .45 ACP has a completly different linkage and I would recommend that gun. It's only a little bigger and carries in a pocket very well. I think a 5 rd single stack mag I have an AMT 380 Back-up and it functions fine. Ive owned it for 15 years or so with no such failure. If I was getting a new one I would get the Ruger LCP or Kel-tec, both are almost identical in design. Mike |
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Post by 161 on Oct 25, 2010 19:53:52 GMT -5
They passed one of these around last time I was at the academy re-certing as an instructor. Didn't shoot it but it looked interesting. diamondbackfirearms.com/ |
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Oct 26, 2010 4:49:55 GMT -5
Mike I may have had a lemon. If I remember, on the right side of the gun, you could actually see the linkage and it was quite sloppy. The way I compensated for it was to use my left index finger to put lateral pressure on the trigger while starting the trigger pull with my right index finger.
When the linkage would disconnect, the trigger would just swing like it was snapped off. I would have to reconnect it. Seemed like there was a thin bar with a small shallow hole that connected to another thin bar with a small peg that fit the hole. Got rid of that gun 15 years ago or so. My friend had got the .45 version the same year and we compared the 2 and it seemed to me that his gun had a completely different linkage.
Just my experience. Other wise it was a great gun for pocket carry and it's the only gun I almost had to deploy one time. Luckily nothing happened.
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Post by mike3132 on Oct 26, 2010 12:11:32 GMT -5
Mike I may have had a lemon. If I remember, on the right side of the gun, you could actually see the linkage and it was quite sloppy. The way I compensated for it was to use my left index finger to put lateral pressure on the trigger while starting the trigger pull with my right index finger. When the linkage would disconnect, the trigger would just swing like it was snapped off. I would have to reconnect it. Seemed like there was a thin bar with a small shallow hole that connected to another thin bar with a small peg that fit the hole. Got rid of that gun 15 years ago or so. My friend had got the .45 version the same year and we compared the 2 and it seemed to me that his gun had a completely different linkage. Just my experience. Other wise it was a great gun for pocket carry and it's the only gun I almost had to deploy one time. Luckily nothing happened. wilmsmeyer, AMT made these guns in 3 different locations and I think some were better than others. The grips do hold in the trigger latch and a spring. If yours came out then the grips were most likely the problem. Ive had this one smoke stack with Corbon a couple times but I fixed that problem. I use ball ammo in it now and it fires every time. If I already didn't own this one I would get the Ruger LCP. Mike |
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Oct 26, 2010 19:09:03 GMT -5
Interesting....
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Post by sw on Oct 27, 2010 7:08:32 GMT -5
My carry gun is a Ruger LCP. I take it bow hunting also. Depending, I will take my Ruger 101 327 Mag on hunting trips where I might want a little more gun. I have had a run-in with a pack of coyotes during a long extreme cold spell which left an indelible impression on me.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Oct 27, 2010 18:27:46 GMT -5
We are not allowed to "carry" during our bow season. Last weekend, one of the kids was crossing some railroad track just before light on the way to his stand. A dark form, which he thought was a deer was 100 yds down the tracks. He discounted it as such and in 2 seconds the dark form had closed the distance to 50 yds. Then it got within 20 ft and it was a large coyote. It growled and snapped and wasn't backing down. Ben grabbed an arrow and knocked it and started kicking stones to make noise.
It ran off but left an impression on him. That night him and his cousin took their rifles down there instead of their bows and tried to call it in...no luck
We have a ton of these yotes around here...see em all the time...even during mid day. I will kill everyone I see.
I might even carry anyway. Rather be judged by 12 then buried by 6....my uncle used to say.
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orion
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Post by orion on Oct 28, 2010 9:56:19 GMT -5
Well, thanks for your thoughts on those pistols.
I always try to carry something when in the woods now with all the yotes/coy dogs around and the growing presence of feral hogs, and the ongoing saga regarding puma/cougers in our area. We don't have any feral hogs yet on our land in Michigan, however, they say they are spreading. For those situations I would prefer to have something with more whack than a .380. But hey a .380 is better than kicking stones or hitting with your fists.
Last night I heard a story about a forrester in the U.P. of Michigan getting tree-ed by two wolves. I don't know if it is true. Maybe Youp can chime in if he is out there. Come in Youp are you out there good buddy?
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Post by mike3132 on Oct 28, 2010 13:30:39 GMT -5
Heres something to think about, a .380 is really a 9mm short. Same scenario as a .22 short is compared to a .22 long rifle.
I read an article recently about .380 ammo tests. Seems hollow point ammo fails to penetrate as far through thick clothing as ball ammo does so the tests revealed you are better off shooting ball ammo in a .380. Seems Winchester white box is one of the best. Bad thing is right now its hard to find.
I carry two small autos, the AMT .380 Back Up and a Taurus PT22. I like the PT22 the best because it weighs less.
I've heard a few say the .22 long rifle didn't have enough stopping power for personal defense and I said "it takes a hell of a man to eat 10 .22 long rifle Stingers". One other thing I like about the .22 small auto its more accurate if you are shooting at a target a little farther away than a short barreled .380 is. Mike
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Post by sw on Oct 31, 2010 20:27:54 GMT -5
When the 22 mag came out it developed a reputation as being fairly inaccurate. That has changed now and wonderful longer range ammunition is available. I have an American Arms tiny 22 mag revolver. I carry it occasionally. It is actually too small for serious accuracy, IMO. Maybe I just need to work more at it.
However, a compact 5 shot 3" barreled 22 Mag revolver of a small semi-auto seems like it would be nice. Exist??
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Nov 1, 2010 4:53:41 GMT -5
I've been told that a .22 mag out of a 3-4" barrel has no ballistic advantage over a .22 LR. Anyone know anything about this?
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Post by orion on Nov 1, 2010 8:48:08 GMT -5
Kel Tec is supposedly bringing out a pretty cool double stack 22 mag pistol. The guy on gun blast does a review on it on his web site. Although, this does not look like a pocket pistol.
I have chronographed some 22 mag pistols (revolvers) and yes they are comparable to a 22 rim rifle usually. Although you must compare apples to apples (i.e. a 40 grain bullet vrs. a 40 grain bullet) You can get some confusion if you switch bullet weights, and if you are shooting a long barreled pistol. Most people do not realize how much velocity is lost in a 22 rim pocket pistol compared to a 22 rim rifle. Usually it is pretty dramatic, like .45 acp / air gun type velocities.
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