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Post by swampman on Aug 18, 2010 12:12:37 GMT -5
He is very interesting. Christianity is very logical and scientific. Give him a listen sometime. www.ligonier.org/
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Post by jaybe on Sept 24, 2010 10:36:38 GMT -5
I like the early Sproul better than the more recent Sproul. He now advocates what is known as "replacement theology", which means that the Church has replaced Israel in God's program. According to this theology, when Israel rejected Jesus as the Christ/Messiah, they forfeited all the promises made to Abraham and his offspring. The Church is said to now receive all the blessings promised, while Israel gets to keep the curses. (There are many other implications to this: The Tribulation is said to have occurred in AD 70, there will be no literal millennium, and, in fact, we are now living in a "spiritual millennium" - to name a few). What he overlooks/rejects is the fact that God said "The time is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. .... "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people." - Jer. 31:31,33 - also Heb. 8:8-12 Sproul and MANY others today ignore the fact that God said this new covenant was with "the house of Israel and the house of Judah" (the Hebrew people), and say that this is for the Church. The fact is that those of us who trust in Jesus Christ during this age are privileged to be "grafted in" to the olive tree (Rom. 11:11-21). We receive many of the promises made to the spiritual seed of Abraham (Gal. 3:13-14) - and even more than Israel, but that doesn't mean that the original olive tree (Israel) has been cast off that the Church should replace her. I agree that Sproul has many good things to say, but I believe he has departed from the foundational teachings of Christ and the apostles concerning Israel's future.
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Post by dougedwards on Sept 24, 2010 18:34:52 GMT -5
I also would like to know how Sproul reconsiles such scripture passages. How about " salvation is offered first to the Jew and then to the Gentile."
Doug
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Post by ozark on Sept 24, 2010 20:20:04 GMT -5
I think people have to work out their own salvation. Bible discussions are great and we can learn from many. But our basic beliefs are seldom changed by speakers. At least not that we can detect at the time. I have never seen the basic character of anyone change. If they are prone to lie as a teenager they will probably continue that into adulthood. On religious ideas and beliefs appear to be set in stone. Many are willing to teach others but few are truely students. Most have a position and resent it when others try to change their beliefs. I am sure most of us have room to learn but it is sure difficult with a closed mind. If God accepts the Jews, the Islam, the Hindus, the Budda and the others I consider that his business. Those who follow Christanity send missionaries all over. Maybe other religions have missionaries here in the US and Canada. Christ said: "In my house there are many mansions, if it were not so I would have told you." Is it possible that some of His people are different than we believe but that He accepts them as his own just as He accepts Christians? I personally doubt that we know the Mind of God and maybe only a little of his Will. If He accepts any group we have ever heard of you will not see this old boy arguing with His decision.
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Post by swampman on Sept 25, 2010 5:52:52 GMT -5
I don't agree with some of his teachings, but then I don't agree completely with anyone but me and I question my own beliefs constantly to ensure they are Biblical. I believe there are elect souls scattered all over the world but Jesus Christ is that strait and narrow gate. I do believe in Grace only and that we have nothing in out election.
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Post by jaybe on Sept 27, 2010 13:30:20 GMT -5
Well - by what Jesus Himself said, it doesn't appear as if that is the case: "I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins." - John 8:24 "Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?" Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." - John 14:5-6 And the message of the apostles agreed with this: "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."Acts 4:12 "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all men-- the testimony given in its proper time." - 1 Tim. 2:5-6 Let's face it - IF God can't lie (and I believe He can't); and IF the Bible is God's written revelation to man (and I believe it is) - then there is only one way to Heaven, one way to have our sins forgiven - and that is through personal faith in the Person and work of Jesus Christ. If there is any other way, then God is a liar, the Bible is false, Jesus was just an ordinary man, and no one has any hope of eternal life. Ozark wrote: Well I have. I've seen many people's lives changed completely. And the Lord completely changed my life as well. I was a rebellious, pot-smoking hippie who cared nothing for God, His church, or anyone else and the Lord turned my life around when I trusted Christ as my Savior on Feb. 14, 1970. In one sense, I'm still the same, because I still have the same old sin nature that I was born with. But I'm a new creation in Christ with a new life within me. I have a new power to say "no" to my own sinful desires, a new future and a new ability to live for God rather than self. As I read the Bible, that's what is supposed to happen in a Christian's life. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! - 2 Cor. 5:17 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. - Gal. 2:20 Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin. As a result, he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. - 2 Pet. 4:1-2 That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it!
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Post by swampman on Sept 27, 2010 14:38:49 GMT -5
"salvation is offered first to the Jew and then to the Gentile."
He came to his own(Jews) and his own recievied him not. Then he turned to the Gentiles.
During the 3 1/2 years of tribulation Moses & Elijah will come back to preach the Gospel to the Jews and 144,000 will recieve Christ.
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