bh209

[dave d.]

:)guy's anymore testing?i'm really curiuos about this stuff.first and foremost is it really non corrosive?when i called western they said it is to a point but once fired the black residue can capture mositure so if you live in a humid state it could become a problem.anybody shot there rifles and left it dirty threw the season in and out of the house and maybe in some humid conditions?how did your barrel look after cleaning?thank's

[esmd]

I shot my Omega in September and neglected to clean it until late November. The barrel is fine, but I'll take care to not wait that long in the future. Just not a good habit to get into. I'll be doing some more range work starting in a few weeks or so.

[younghunter86]

BH209 is the REAL DEAL! Is it 100% non corrosive... I don't know but is it 99.999 % non corrosive... YES! Disc Extreme was shot probably 40 times since Thanksgiving and cleaned the end of January. Absolutely no corrosion/rust/pitting at all. This was a stainless barrel. My omega went from before Thanksgiving until mid December until I cleaned it. Then again until late January. Cleaned up perfetly as well! It was not stainless and so I was getting nervous.

Next year both will not be cleaned the entire season. However in the summer in extreme humidy I'll probably run a single oiled patch down before storing a couple weeks. Just to make sure.

Either way it's a great powder. Need to have a hot primer, tight fitting load and might need to clean carbon fouling out of BP every 5-10 shots if you will be hunting in extreme cold weather. Even if it was corrosive, not having to swab between shots would still make it better than triple seven.

[deadeer]

I read about it on hpmuzzleloading.com last year. Decided to try a bottle, it works great, BUT I did have light surface rust in an Encore that did wipe right out at the end of the seaon. So it is still not goof proof. I actually had 60 shots before cleaning one time, and it got easier to load the more I shot, so it is a much better improvement over 777 or anything else up to that point. I was already researching Savage smokeless, but not ready to take the plunge at that time, when I decided to try bh209. I got great groups at 200 yds <2" with 200 gr SST, 120 gr powder, CCI-M, but eventually hunted with 250 TMZ. My buddy and I took 6 deer last year with that combo and it was the best performance we ever got during BP season. The only drawback is $37.99 for 10 oz bottle, but it is still way cheaper than sabot slugs if that was your only other option. I have since bought a 10ml2 and will be spending free time this year exploring that avenue. I keep hearing buzz about IMR "White Hots", anyboby else?
Thanks, deadeer.

[edge]

www.imrpowder.com/white-hots.html

Sounds like White Hots are very fast, but does not say non-corrosive...at least that I can see.

edge.

[windy]

White hots are the same as the 777 pellets only not dyed black they have more velocity advertised if you max out with the load weather it shoots MOA or not remains to be seen I'll stay with BH209 for the States that don't allow smokeless (NJ) Very good preformer
Seems White-Hots is corrosive

[wilmsmeyer]

Glad you smokers have a seemingly good propellent. Yes cost is high (Over a dollar per shot @ 120 grs levels!) but if you are just taking a few shots to get on target and killing a few deer...it's irrelavant.

For those interested, this powder is literally 10 times more expensive then a guy shooting 43 gr of 4759 at $18.00 lb. (7000 gr / 43 = 162. $18.00/162 = 11 cents a shot.)

Now if you were going to shoot hundreds of shots a year I would say quit smoking and get on the patch...the Savage patch. ;D

[edge]

www.hpmuzzleloading.com/SpecialReport2.html

"COST-PER-SHOT

Blackhorn 209 comes in a 10-ounce container, retailing for right at $30. Triple Seven powder comes in a 16-ounce container that retails for around $25. Shot-for-shot, loose grain Triple Seven is cheaper to shoot. Western Powders claims that a shooter can get 62 of the 100-grain volume-measured charges from a canister of the powder, meaning that each charge runs about 48-cents every time the trigger is pulled. However, when it comes to Triple Seven Pellets, it will take a 150-grain pellet charge (three 50-gr. pellets) to closely duplicate the velocity of just 100 grains of Blackhorn 209. A box of those pellets (100-count) retails for around $25, meaning the cost of shooting Triple Seven Pellets jumps to 75-cents per shot to get comparative bullet speed."

[underclocked]

Edge, that is probably accurate. 100 grains by volume weighs ~70 grains (or a bit less) on a scale.

The stuff shoots great but is very finicky about ignition. Needs a full strength 209 along with a correctly designed breech plug for consistent results. Carbon fouling tends to close the flame channel and is a PIA to remove.

[tasaman]

My short experience with BH is that it shoots much cleaner. Reloading without bore wiping is much easier. Since I only shot about 25 shots and cleaned after that and stored the gun I can't tell you about corrosion. Also, yes it does seem more powerful than 777 but since I have no chrono I can't tell for sure but it sure does put a smackdown on a whitetail I can testify.

Ed

[shooter]

Dave,I went to the range today.I shot the 45 cal. PAC-nor barrel 25 inches.
I started out with a 120 gr of B-H 209 the chrono said 2170 fps.
I then went to a 130 gr and it shot 2270 fps
I then went to a 150 gr and shot it read the same as the 130 gr load. :(I went back to the 130 gr load and shot a 3 shot group with 130 gr of BH209 and the ave velocity was 2260 fps
3 shot measured a 1.05 inches at 100 yards

Note the 150 gr charge my barrel could not burn all of it.That why i went back to 130 gr.

Note I shot the 130 gr load at the same target as i shot the 150 gr and if you measures the 4 shot they measured 1.05 inches at 100 yards
I used a alcohol patch between shot fowlled buy a dry patch.

[dave d.]

:)marty you da'man.great shooting buddy and thanks for testing that stuff for me.

[shooter]

Feb 13, 2009 18:24:48 GMT -5 dave d. said:

:)marty you da'man.great shooting buddy and thanks for testing that stuff for me.

Dave,Glad i could help no problem.I think you should try some to see what happens.

[mshm99]

Read my post Tight wad give bh 209 a new test. As mentioned on the old board, Tight wad is not real big on cleaning. I have nothing but good to say about bh209. TW brings his encore into the warm trailer at night ,uncapped,then back out to the cold. Left a load in the gun from dec 10 and fired it out jan 18,09. He has not cleaned it yet, no corrosion. Good stuff!!

mshm