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Post by bigmoose on Apr 8, 2010 10:10:26 GMT -5
I see Knight is back in business, with new owners, If it wasn't for Knight, maybe Savage wouldn't have developed our rifles. So I for one wish them good luck
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Post by deadon on Apr 8, 2010 10:46:54 GMT -5
Thats great news. For a factory barrel You can't beat green mt.
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Post by sagittarius on Apr 8, 2010 18:50:15 GMT -5
Glad to hear Knight's back in business. Who knows where inline muzzleloading would be today without Knight.
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Post by bigmoose on Apr 8, 2010 19:06:10 GMT -5
New owners PI inc. factory in Athen, TN
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Post by bgmiowa09 on Apr 8, 2010 19:17:42 GMT -5
I just talked to Gordy from Kight and he said they are going to reopen their original factory here in Centervillle Iowa.He said they would be open by fall right know they are based in Decator-Alabama.
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Post by rossman40 on Apr 8, 2010 20:28:30 GMT -5
That is interesting to hear. I noticed they are dropping the KP1 and the Revolution like a hot potato and leaving PRADCO stuck with them. If they stick with just the standard models they can not go wrong.
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Post by tar12 on Apr 8, 2010 20:35:23 GMT -5
That is interesting to hear. I noticed they are dropping the KP1 and the Revolution like a hot potato and leaving PRADCO stuck with them. If they stick with just the standard models they can not go wrong. I hear ya..what was they thinking?
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Post by spaniel on Apr 9, 2010 7:37:24 GMT -5
Good. It was those types of adventures which got them in trouble IMHO. While I've not yet owned one I've admired a couple of the more standard designs for quality/accuracy.
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Post by Jon on Apr 9, 2010 7:42:32 GMT -5
wish them the best of luck they were one of the inovators till they got off track. I'm looking forwards to see what they do under new managment.
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Post by chuck41 on Apr 9, 2010 9:12:01 GMT -5
They have their website up: www.knightrifles.com/ There is a link there for folks who have the Revolution models to send their triggers back for "inspection".
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Post by 10ga on Apr 9, 2010 14:17:46 GMT -5
I wonder if they may give Savage a run by producing a sml rifle? It would give the sml world a kick. Seems that a gun that was marketed as both sml and bp/sub shooter would get attention. Of course the Savage will do bp&subs but it really isn't intended as a bp&sub shooter and gets almost no marketing attention. Just thinking in B&W. 10 ga
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Post by Jon on Apr 9, 2010 15:49:59 GMT -5
10ga, I hope your right that could be interesting. That could really open up the smokeless world. Of course there could be down sides. Jon
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Post by bigmoose on Apr 9, 2010 16:35:09 GMT -5
The only reason I posted this on the Savage site is.....without Knight in-line, there might not be a Savage ML10
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Post by camellips on May 28, 2010 0:21:53 GMT -5
Any news on when they will be shipping ML again?
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Post by Tarheel on May 29, 2010 12:15:34 GMT -5
Will they offer replacement parts for older Knight rifles?
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Post by rossman40 on May 29, 2010 13:36:05 GMT -5
I would think the way it says on the new site,
Warranty for all rifles except the KP1 and Revolution (I and II) will still be handled in the Knight Rifles warranty center in Centerville, Iowa. The KP1 and Revolutions will be serviced from the Pradco Outdoor Brands Decatur, Alabama, Facility.
So it sounds to me like the new owners will handle older parts. IMO the new owners are a bunch of muzzleheads like us that had the resources to do something with the brand. If they just stick with the "Long Range Hunter" and the new "Extreme Ultimate Slam" as the top end and maybe a economy model like the MK-85 they can not go wrong. They do not have to do R&D, no major advertisement campaigns, they inherit a established distribution chain, a decent facility with a trained work force, a list of suppliers and best of all a loyal customer base that has been growing for 20 years. You could almost make a decent go just providing parts and accessories.
Now they have to play their cards right and see how much money in grants and/or tax abatement the government will give them to move the factory back to Iowa. Supposedly EBSCO/PRADCO got a 10 year tax abatement from the local and state to move from Centerville, IA to Decatur, AL.
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Post by camellips on May 29, 2010 20:57:09 GMT -5
I hope they keep the budget priced Wolverines as well as the bolt guns. A smokeless MK series would be high on my priority list.
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Post by Al on Jun 2, 2010 2:11:42 GMT -5
bring back the 20 twist 45cals!!!!!
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Post by camellips on Jun 2, 2010 13:23:17 GMT -5
I had forgotten they made such a item. Yes I would get one in a heart beat.
Anyone know when they are going to be making guns available again?
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Post by artjr338wm on Jun 2, 2010 14:28:24 GMT -5
I think the trap that most sport firearms makers allow themselves to fall into is this:
IMHO Knight was already producing as good a ML as could be produced and still remain with in the financial means of the vast majority of hunters likely to buy a ML. I will farther that statement by saying Knight again IMHO produced the best all around ML you could buy in that price range, and better than ones costing 25-50% more.
Once Knight reached this plat toe of technology that could not be improved upon so as to yield any improvements that would result in a legitimately better ML than they were already making, that left them no choice but to try to develop MLs that were appealing enough to hunters to get them to buy them based on changes or model types that were overwhelmingly cosmetic or financial in their origin and of no real advantage in function or mechanics.
A good example of this is the camouflage industry, where the majority of cam-mo patterns are meant to fool hunters and not the game we hunt.
Once Knight deviated from the models that worked well and the design(s) that made them among the most successful ML lines of all time is when Knight got itself into trouble.
I see this syndrome in the archery industry and it is the driving force of the entire archery industry IMHO. This years $800-$900 flag ship bow to next years Ebay bow on sale for 30-50% less because everyone who bought last years now must have this years latest and greatest again for $800-$900+.
The reason Knight can not match this constant model change year to year is because unlike compound bows there simply is not that much you can change or improve on a ML like the Knight.
Bows have cams, risers, cable guards, and limbs that all can be changed (read that changed and not necessarily improved) every year or two or three. Firearms, especially MLs do not enjoy this wide range of individual components to change or upgrade, so companies like Knight are left with much less to work with in marketing a "New and Improved" product.
Just my opinion Arthur.
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Post by rjhans53 on Jun 2, 2010 15:39:59 GMT -5
Art, I agree with you to a point. But the lehigh plug is a example of where they could of been improved on and didn't The ultimate slam is suppose to be a hum dinger and until leghigh came up with their breech plug I would of thought about getting one, now my 2 extreemes shoot GREAT with BH and my LRH is good also if I use 250 45 cal bullets. So I don't need or want another. The elite was an before it's time ML and they quit making them, that is a real shame because with a differnent breech plug and BH they could really compete with the best of them including savage.
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Post by camellips on Jun 2, 2010 17:38:52 GMT -5
I sent a email to Knight today and got this response. I had asked about the 45 cal and 40 cal.
Sir
We look forward to your continued support as we go forward with Knight Rifles. Be careful what you wish for as we have discussed manufacturing both options you mentioned in your letter below. We should be back in full swing manufacturing of rifles this fall. If you can hold out I can assure we will have exactly what you are looking for in a muzzleloader.
You have received this notification from Knight Rifles because you are a registered user or you or some other registered user requested some information for you from our store. Customers need help! Customer info:
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Post by Jon on Jun 2, 2010 20:33:24 GMT -5
rjhans53. What do you have agenst the savage? Jon
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Post by rjhans53 on Jun 2, 2010 21:15:44 GMT -5
Jon not a thing against savage I own 2 and have convinced my son that it is the ML to carry. I was trying to be funny and after reading it again right now it fell flat. I'm going to edit the post to better explain myself
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Post by Jon on Jun 3, 2010 2:24:37 GMT -5
rjhans53, I didn't mean to come on strong I'm on a learning curve and ask a lot of questions. Hopefully non are taken wrong. Not trying to step on anyones toes I have only shot smokeless and as long as I listen to people that have a lot more experance than my self. I have had no problems. I read everything I can find on m/z's and I find we are doing the same thing just a differant way. Jon
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Post by rjhans53 on Jun 3, 2010 5:05:12 GMT -5
Jon, I don't feel you came on strong. The way the post read it, I can see where your question came from, hopefully I've got it to where it's worded better now.
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Post by ourway77 on Sept 18, 2010 12:24:09 GMT -5
I have always been a loyal knight user, I even bought one of thier top of the line ML'ers the Master Hunter that I still have but it doesn't get shot much since I got my savage smokeless for one reason only I'm lazy and it offers us lazy people to shoot the rifle go home and to bed and if I go out the next morning it's a dry patch and my favorite load again and I am good to go. As far as my Master Hunter every now and then I take it hunting and if I shoot it no matter how tired I am when I get home I clean it. So as far as I am concerned I don't see anything from Knight that set my pocket book on fire. I see all these adds that say use this powder and use plenty of it, I have loaded my Knight with 100 grains of powder and I have killed Deer to 200 yards, The name of the game as far as I am concerned is velocity doesn't make accuracy. Velocity is great but w/o accuracy it's nothing. And if you have both you are living in high cotton Lou
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Post by jsthntn247 on Sept 19, 2010 22:56:55 GMT -5
bring back the 20 twist 45cals!!!!! Really??? I thought everyone was having problems getting them to shoot well???
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Post by mountainam on Sept 20, 2010 7:15:27 GMT -5
jsthntn247, The problems arrose when Knight was advertising 2500-2600fps using 155gr 40cal pistol bullets. I think the 1/20" twist is more in line to shoot a .358"x.45 sabots with 200gr .358 FTX's or RN bullets. Perhaps even the .411" 300gr Hornady bullet. I think--when in doubt, spin it faster.
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Post by jsthntn247 on Sept 20, 2010 7:50:00 GMT -5
jsthntn247, The problems arrose when Knight was advertising 2500-2600fps using 155gr 40cal pistol bullets. I think the 1/20" twist is more in line to shoot a .358"x.45 sabots with 200gr .358 FTX's or RN bullets. Perhaps even the .411" 300gr Hornady bullet. I think--when in doubt, spin it faster. If anybody is looking for one. The pawn shop beside my house has one brand new that could be had fairlly reasonable I think.
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