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Post by dave d. on Mar 20, 2010 5:28:09 GMT -5
:)guys i'm buying my first pistol and i think its going to be a glock.attended purpose is target and home defense but mainly target for hope i never need it at home.i'm going with a glock but just wasnt sure which caliber.let me hear your suggestions.thanks
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Post by whyohe on Mar 20, 2010 11:10:32 GMT -5
is money a factor? I'm talking aboout the price to feed your gun. I like my 40 S&W but it is more expensive to feed than a 9MM. I'm not a big fan of the .380s. the ones my friends had seem to jamb and didnt like hollow points. And I know a .380 can do the job but in thoes protection circumstances I want some thing with more stopping power if i dont get the greatest shot off.
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Post by dave d. on Mar 20, 2010 21:59:21 GMT -5
:)whyohe i was thinking .40 myself.whats the price difference between it and the 10mm(ammo wise)?
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Post by Al on Mar 21, 2010 6:02:25 GMT -5
Dave, go with the 40, it's just cheaper to play with.
Also, don't over look the Sigs. When my #1 was VSP, that was their duty gun, sorta hooked me on them since, but can't argue on a Glock as they are fine weapons too.
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Post by dave d. on Mar 21, 2010 6:59:45 GMT -5
:)thanks al.how much more powerful is the 10mm?how are you and the family doing?
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Post by whyohe on Mar 21, 2010 19:49:49 GMT -5
sorry dave, i havent priced 10MM ammo for a while. i know it was one of the reasons i went with the 40 at the time i made my purchase. that and 40 was more available to me at the time.
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Post by jims on Mar 22, 2010 19:03:32 GMT -5
I like my .40 Glocks. I prefer the cartridge over the 9mm but the nine is cheaper to get ammo for. You could reload and that would reduce the difference somewhat. The 10mm is powerful but never really caught on in alot of sales versus the .40. It depends a bit on what you are going to use it for and how much you plan to shoot it. I have also never had a malfunction with my Glocks, I cannot say that about a number of my other semi-autos. Ugly but reliable, that actually kind of makes them beautiful.
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Post by dave d. on Mar 22, 2010 19:37:40 GMT -5
:)thanks guys .40 it is...
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Post by Al on Mar 23, 2010 4:31:58 GMT -5
Dave, you'd have to look at the reloading data between the two, I don't know off the top of my head. I know the 10mm was touted to be the equivelent of a 41mag in the early years, but I think it was more of a marketing ploy back then. Worked on me, I still have a Colt Delta Elite from Colts first run, it's my truck gun 99% of the time.
we are struggling thru one day at a time, funeral is today, so healing can start tomorrow.
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Post by dave d. on Mar 23, 2010 6:27:42 GMT -5
:)al thanks and I wish you and the family a fast healing time. Take care bud
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Post by rossman40 on Mar 23, 2010 8:54:46 GMT -5
I think a lot of the factory 10mm loads from the early 90s on are cut back. The original Norma loads pushed a 200gr bullet like 1200fps and the 170gr 1400fps. Put those rounds in a 1026 S&W and you had a manly man's gun. Supposedly Hornady came up with the XTP line because of the FBI jumping on the 10mm. Both the 1000 series S&Ws and the Colt Elites went up for the FBI contract with S&W winning (the 1000 series probly the best auto S&W ever built). Supposedly the 1076 is a status symbol among FBI agents nowadays, first it means you have been in the FBI long enough to be issued it and second you ain't no limp wristed geek (you do have to qualify with it). Although the 10mm is no longer on the approved list if you were issued it then it is allowed, much like the older SIGs (or so I have been told).
For home defense the 40S&W is excellent, not over penetrating and a lot of umph in the 180gr loadings. With a lot of demand prices are low on the ammo. If you want something hotter there is the 357SIG. My favorite range ammo for the 40S&W is PMC 165gr which is a little light at about 1000fps, I used to be able to get it for $175 a case (1000).
As far as pistols, I'm a SIG man myself. Having shot a lot of 1911s the grip angle on the Glocks didn't quite suit me.
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Post by dave d. on Mar 23, 2010 12:06:39 GMT -5
;)thanks ken I have held a glock and like it so I'm going to try one out. .40 it is.
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Post by 10ga on Mar 30, 2010 7:50:03 GMT -5
IF you insist on going auto... Sig or Springfield Armory, of course in 45 acp. I have a smaller hand so I like the single stack. My real personal preference is a wheel gun in 44 mag/spl. w custon grips. Both cals reload easily, ammo readily available, plenty of power if you need it. 10 ga
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Post by dave d. on Mar 30, 2010 18:50:39 GMT -5
:)10ga thanks for your input but i'm pretty much sold on a glock .40.now i just don't know what length and what sights to get.
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Post by 161 on Mar 31, 2010 7:18:29 GMT -5
Just to muddy the water a little. If you buy a Glock 22 .40 Cal you can buy a 357 barrel, it will drop in. Same mags because the 357 Sig is a 40 necked down to 9mm. If you would buy the 10mm Glock there is a barrel available to shoot .40 cal in it for target practice. The 10mm is the same frame Glock uses for the 45 ACP so if you have small hands it may be an issue. My advice if this is your first handgun buy a good .22 and learn to shoot it use the .12 ga for home defense until your skills with a handgun are ready. Then get the Glock 40. You can shoot the .22 500 times for less than 50 rnds. .40SW. There are also .22 cal uppers you can get for the Glock.22 for around $250 161
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Post by 10ga on Mar 31, 2010 7:58:51 GMT -5
dittos for 161. .22 is the way to learn handguns. My first "pistol" was the original Ruger 22 auto. Burn a couple of bricks through that plinkin and such and you'll know how to hit stuff with a pistol. A whole lot less stress on the hands and pocketbook too. 10 ga
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Post by tcmech on Apr 1, 2010 19:38:46 GMT -5
glock makes a fine 45 also
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Post by deadon on Apr 2, 2010 11:12:22 GMT -5
Dave,Ya can't beat a 1911, I have a colt and a caspian custom. Also have a Browning buckmark 22 cal and it is cheap to shoot. If you can find a pistol that has a 22 drop in' thats the way I would go now matter which large cal you choose to go with it. Just my two, Rusty
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Post by spaniel on Apr 2, 2010 13:13:46 GMT -5
dave, if you can/want to carry concealed I recommend the G23. That is what I have, two friends carry them as well. I tried them all on for size and this was the best comprimise of mag capacity, size, and concealability for me. Mine is plenty accurate.
You may opt for an aftermarket connector on it, this lightens the pull without messing with the springs, which may impact reliability.
I REALLY like the .40. I would think 10mm is overkill both for shooting targets and in your home God forbid.
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Post by dave d. on Apr 4, 2010 8:23:03 GMT -5
:)hey guys you are the best. All great advice and info. Right now I'm just looking glock but maybe in the future there will be a 1911 in my safe. I actually made a mistake in my first post I have had one handgun and it was a .22. Fun and cheap to shoot. I might condsider a conversion. I've shot quite a few of my buddys handguns I'm not so much a beginner but this will be my first big gun of my own. Andy I thought about the 23 but I didn't know what the losses would be considering as long as I live in the commie state of NJ I will never be able to conceal. Since my son just turned 5 months old and all are family is here I would have to say I'm not going anywhere for a long time. So this brings me to my last question night sights or not? Thanks again guys
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Post by spaniel on Apr 4, 2010 22:47:45 GMT -5
If I had the cash lying around I'd have night sights put on. I've always wanted them, just never prioritized them over other shooting/hunting needs when the cash was available. Just realize that they WILL dim and need to be replaced after a number of years (I'm not sure how long).
I DO reload .40 for my Glock, I just stay nearer the minimum loads than the max ones and don't recycle the cases forever like I would in a revolver.
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Post by 161 on Apr 5, 2010 7:06:03 GMT -5
Night sights are good for 10 to 12 years. But you can see they aren't as bright around 7. I have them on mine but I carry it. Cost 55 to 75 buck depending who's you get. 161
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Post by dave d. on Apr 5, 2010 9:33:39 GMT -5
:)i can get a g22 .40 with night sights for $520 plus shipping to my fll. Does this sound like a decent price? Thanks
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Post by spaniel on Apr 5, 2010 14:22:59 GMT -5
Sounds about right to me.
MTA: With the night sights, that sounds like a deal actually.
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Post by dave d. on Apr 10, 2010 4:34:04 GMT -5
:)well guys I ordered the gun yesterday. I got the glock 22 with night sights( and It came with 3- 15rd mags)ghost connecter 3.5(installed), 5 boxes of 165's and I box of 180's shipped for $670. I will pick it up on the way to the range next sat. . I'm really excited and can't wait to shoot a few rounds. Thanks again for all the help
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Post by spaniel on Apr 12, 2010 13:51:06 GMT -5
Let us know how it shoots. I still say you got a pretty great deal. I have not held the newest generation of Glock so am interested in your thoughts.
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Post by dave d. on Apr 13, 2010 6:19:51 GMT -5
:)will do Andy...
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Post by thelefthand on Apr 13, 2010 22:42:29 GMT -5
A little late, but I'm going to throw my 2 bits in. Although not my favorite (I'm a 1911 fan), Glock makes a fine weapon. I would never personally intentionally buy a 9mm for the purpose of defending myself, but the lighter recoil and cheaper ammo costs make it a great caliber to compete with, or just plink around. Just to be clear, I would also never want to get shot with a 9mm. For what it's worth, you would have been much better off buying a used Glock (if you could find one) or a used anything. I've seen just as many new guns with problems as I have seen used guns, so from my perspective a used gun is just as reliable as a new one, and I won't trust any of them until I've put 500 rounds or so through them. I can generally find a used gun for about half the cost of a new one and that will buy me more accessories, and or more ammo. In your specific set of circumstances, since you can't carry, I would have bought a used 9mm and shot the living snot out of it. I think the 40 is a better defensive choice, but a handgun is a poor "home defense" weapon to begin with. Since it's your first "big" handgun, I would have went with the 9mm. Deck it out, have fun with it, and learn to shoot it like nobody's business. Then if you want a 40, go for it. Enjoy the Glock at the range, but get you a shotgun for the house. Even a good handgun is a poor defensive weapon, especially at night, especially in your house. A 12 ga has always been, and will always be the ultimate point and click interface Also, look and see if there are any Glock matches in your area. If not, then try to find some other kind of action pistol matches to go to. Go have fun at them, and learn from the helpful folks who are there. You may want to try to find a double action 22 revolver also. I prefer the S&W 617. When you can master a good smooth double action 22 revolver, you will be able to quickly master about anything you pick up. I'm also a little shocked that folks didn't ask about your experience level right off the bat. If you didn't already own a 22, then you would have just wasted $670. The Glock is a good handgun, but they suck to learn on. Just my 2 bits, Mark
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Post by spaniel on Apr 15, 2010 9:45:41 GMT -5
Shotguns are not a quick-access alternative for those of us with small children in the house. Even before kids, I could not bring myself to keep a gun accessible with a loaded mag. Too much risk. This makes them slow to get into play.
I have two pistols with full mags and one in the pipe in a safe I can have open in 1 second. Access and time to have ready to roll are a big consideration in defense. I can also manage a pistol effectively with one hand while opening doors, which is much harder to do with a shotgun. If I'm opening a door and bad guy is right on the other side, the pistol is already up. With the shotgun it's harder to keep the muzzle directed and it's out there for him to get ahold of.
I wholeheartedly agree they have some significant advantages but there are trade-offs too.
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Post by thelefthand on Apr 16, 2010 17:55:58 GMT -5
Shotguns are not a quick-access alternative for those of us with small children in the house. Even before kids, I could not bring myself to keep a gun accessible with a loaded mag. Too much risk. This makes them slow to get into play. My shotgun and my 45 sit next to each other. Most everything else stays locked in the safe. The shotgun has a fully loaded mag with an empty chamber. They are up high enough that my 2 yo can't get to them, but next year she starts going to the range with me so that their accessibility will not become an issue. I will not trust a safe to protect my children. As members of the family, they share the same rights and responsibilities as the rest of us when it comes to firearms. I don't intend to clear my house with my family still inside. I intend to get my family outside, and kill anyone who gets in the way. Doors don't cause me a problem in this regard. If I'm opening doors and clearing rooms, I'm no longer defensive. I am on the offense. Either way I can effectively open a door without lowering a shotgun. You are correct though. There are trade offs. Shotguns that are made to be a good hunting tool, don't usually make nearly as good of a home defense weapon, and visa versa. I've never known anyone who was trained in entry and cqb who preferred a handgun. It was always along the lines of shotguns, sub gun like the MP5, or assault rifles like the M4. There are trade offs there too. I can't afford to feed an MP5, let alone own one. Seriously though, to each their own. Everyone has to assess their resources, needs, and capabilities. THEN decide what they are going to do in life. So long as a person does things in that order, they have normally made pretty good decisions. Even when they make the wrong decision, its still not as bad as when we get the order reversed.
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