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Post by ozark on Dec 22, 2009 20:33:09 GMT -5
I have wondered why Jesus was not called Emanuel while on earth. The Bible seems to say that He would be called Emanuel meaning God on earth. I'm not fishing for a debate, I have wondered about this for years. Any Bible scholars with the answer?
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Post by Rifleman on Dec 23, 2009 21:35:03 GMT -5
Ben I am no scholar, just a student. I cannot give you a dogmatic answer, just share my thoughts. I did a search and found the word "Emmanuel" only listed one time in the Bible. Here is the passage:
Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Matthew 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
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First I see the interpration of what Emmanuel means to be " God with us".
Secondly I see this is a fulfillment of prophecy.
I think I see your point, in verse 23 it says they shall call his name Emmanuel, and in verse 21 it says his name shall be Jesus.
But possibly his proper name is Jesus, and the fact that he is God and did dwell on earth among men, made his action or position Emmanuel- God with us.
I know that God became flesh and dwelt among us once, and will do so again. I know his name is Jesus, He is the Christ, and He is Lord, so we often refer to him as Jesus Christ the Lord.
Perhaps those that did believe in Jesus in his day actually did refer to him as Emmanuel. I do not know, but I do know that Christian songs do refer to him as Emmanuel in our day, and perhaps again when he returns to reign for 1000 years, again believers on earth will refer to him as Emmanuel.
Ben I am sorry I cannot give a better answer, that is a very good question.
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Post by dougedwards on Dec 23, 2009 21:44:22 GMT -5
I am still waiting for the bible scholars to respond but while we wait I thought I would just give some input on this one. We first find the passage concerning a messiah whose name shall be called Immanuel, written hundreds of years prior to the passage that we find in the gospel of Matthew, in the book of Isaiah. "The virgin will be with child and give birth to a son whose name will be Immanuel" Isaiah 7:14. I think that we assume that the actual name of the Messiah must be Immanuel based on this scripture. But hold on.
Isaiah also writes that the messiah's name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace when none of these names were actually the earthly name of God's son on earth but Immanuel is listed among the many titles of Jesus of Nazereth. Luke writes that Jesus shall be called the Son of the Most High, Son of God and Prophet of the Most High.
We do know from scripture that very few knew Jesus as the Son of God other than His disciples. However, many knew Jesus as supernatural because of his performed miracles culminating with his final miracle........returning from the grave to show himself to over 500 people. But God, who transends time and space gave Jesus the name of Immanuel which means "God among us". And there surely is coming a day when all will recognize Jesus as Lord and God as Jesus will reign here on earth for 1000 years after His glorious coming to save the world from total disaster.
The actual name "Jesus" is the Greek pronounciation of the name which is "Joshua" in Hebrew being a common name among the Jews at that time. "Christ" was not the name of Jesus but was a title which means "Messiah".
Doug
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Post by Rifleman on Dec 23, 2009 21:54:39 GMT -5
Doug that sure clears a few things up for me, thank you!
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Post by ozark on Dec 23, 2009 22:09:57 GMT -5
Very interesting and educational responses. Thanks. Get this, I felt emotional love for my mother and family members. My wife in particular. But it took some time for me to understand my love for Jesus. I thought I was supposed to love Him rather than pretend to. Then one day i pondered the Bible part that said He was the way, the truth and the life. Doesn't everyonne love knowing the way, the truth and life. With that understanding it was a simple matter for me to understand my love for Jesus. Maybe I was confusing great appreciation with the word love.
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Post by Rifleman on Dec 24, 2009 0:35:36 GMT -5
Bro Mac Johnson a Pastor from Florida and father of Dr Ken Johnson, director of the boys ranch, now gone on to be with the Lord, used to tell his people when it came to loving Jesus " You outta try and like him first". Makes sense to me. Understand who Jesus is and what he has done and one is bound to like him and then love him.
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Post by jhm on Dec 24, 2009 9:05:48 GMT -5
I enjoyed reading this thread. Merry Christmas everyone. Enjoy your family, and worship our Lord Christ Jesus.
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Post by weasel on Jan 4, 2010 21:24:36 GMT -5
This thread seems to be about the dual nature of Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 3:16 says: "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." Then consider Colossians 2:9 states: "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." This tells me that Jesus was both all God and manifested in the flesh. After Christ rose from the dead and showed Himself to Thomas, Thomas exclaimed "My Lord and my God."
weasel
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Post by craigf on Jan 4, 2010 23:56:53 GMT -5
Doug is right on the name "Jesus", it is Greek for the Hebrew name Joshua. In Hebrew Joshua directly means Yahweh Saves. Mary was told to name her child Jesus, or the LORD Saves. It is interesting in Matthew 1:20-25. 20 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins." 22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet: 23 "Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel" (which means, God with us). 24 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, 25 but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus. (Mat 1:20-25 ESV) Right before the quotation of Isaiah, Joseph is told to call the child the LORD Saves, Jesus, because he would save his people from their sins. And people today think that the Jesus was not God but just a good example. In one sentence there is the LORD Saves, really "only" should be in there in this context, in the name Jesus and an angelic revelation that this child would save his people from their sins. Only God could do that and that is why he is named Jesus. So Emmanuel, God with us, and the LORD Saves are not so far apart in meaning when this one does a WHOLE lot of saving!  |
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Post by whyohe on Jan 5, 2010 5:30:29 GMT -5
very good responses here.
as rifleman shows in Mathew 1:21 it points to Mary and Joseph THOU shalt call his name Jesus.
then in Mathew 1:23 now it says THEY shall call him Emmanuel. In my feelings this refers to others who come to know him. as others pointed out he was called by many names in different cities because of his teachings and miracles. many times he was refered to as Teacher by his followers. it was another name given him. so some may call him Emmanuel because to them he was God on earth.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2010 18:36:34 GMT -5
These are all very good responses to the name or names that were given to the Lord Jesus Christ. Biblical names were often given to express the desired character or in some cases the true character or nature the coming child would posess. Men would name their sons and daughters according to what they hoped and prayed their children would grow to be. Often times God would intervene and name the child Himself according to His plans and purpose in that persons life. Names given to well known biblical characters have proven this to be true.... Adam.....Earthy Abraham....Father of many Daniel....God is my judge David....Beloved Job....He that weeps or cries Jesus [Joshua]....Jehovah is salvation This is just a small sampling of biblical names. With a little research you can find a complete listing of Jewish names and their corresponding meanings. It's a very interesting study. Jesus' true character and nature is given to us in many different ways in the Word of God....Dig in and find as many as you can. May the Lord bless you as you do Zen |
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Post by Rifleman on Jan 5, 2010 18:40:08 GMT -5
Really good discussion, I appreciate everyones input. But I do think the question that is most important is the question Jesus posed to his disciples one day. He asked " Who do you say that I am" . That is the question posed to all men today. Some say he was a good man, a teacher, etc. but deny the fact that he is God. Some go further and see him as God, but as a help in our salvation. Some go a little further and see him as God and the Saviour, but still wonder as to their own salvation. I see him as not just God, and not just the saviour, but as My God and My Saviour. I hope you all do too.
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Post by craigf on Jan 5, 2010 19:49:35 GMT -5
Really good discussion, I appreciate everyones input. But I do think the question that is most important is the question Jesus posed to his disciples one day. He asked " Who do you say that I am" . That is the question posed to all men today. Some say he was a good man, a teacher, etc. but deny the fact that he is God. Some go further and see him as God, but as a help in our salvation. Some go a little further and see him as God and the Saviour, but still wonder as to their own salvation. I see him as not just God, and not just the saviour, but as My God and My Saviour. I hope you all do too. Rifleman, I like Doubting Thomas' response to this question "My Lord and my God!" Could on not said it better myself! |
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Post by Buckrub on Jan 8, 2010 17:16:21 GMT -5
There are and were lots of guys named Jesus. There still are. That was his common name.
He was THE CHRIST, however.
He had a lot of 'names', if you read all the Bible. Most are descriptions, not proper names. I can call you, Ben, "Hunter" and I'd be right. But that's not your name. I could call you "Marksman" and I'd be right. But that's not your proper name.
"Who do men say that I am" is not a question asking what his name was. Folks knew his name or they didn't. It was a question "Do men accept me as God, the Messiah sent to Save you?".........
Well, do they???
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Post by ozark on Jan 8, 2010 18:46:55 GMT -5
During the last month or so I have been impressed with the discussions on the Bible questions. I have learned but what has made me appreciate it is the absence of dogmatic argumentative statements. We all have individual minds, beliefs and have heard the attitudes that causes churches to split. Not here. No one has accused others of being hypocrites or followers of a false religion. I am inclined to believe that people have to work out their own religion with fear and trembling. Congratulation to all. You have pleased me and that isn't easy. Ozark
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