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Post by rangeball on Dec 16, 2009 10:53:42 GMT -5
Anyone know much about these "new" offerings from Ruger? I know the knock in the past was so so accuracy from mini 14s, but these new versions supposedly use a much stiffer hammer forged barrel and shoot much better?
I can get one for about 70% of the AR I was considering. .223 is the only cartridge I want in a SA, so ability to swap uppers is no concern to me.
How's the trigger on these? I assume single stage?
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Post by pposey on Dec 16, 2009 11:07:18 GMT -5
I'm, not sure about the new ones had sevaral off the older models and spent alot of $ on one with a custom barrel, that sucker would shoot. I have heard that they shoot better from the factory now but I'm bettin they still would not shoot with a tricked out AR, on the other hand I never had one that was prone to james and can't remember having one ever jam with good ammo,
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Post by Rifleman on Dec 17, 2009 4:58:17 GMT -5
Junk
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Post by rangeball on Dec 17, 2009 9:49:47 GMT -5
Thanks pposey Rifleman, can you elaborate? I'd emailed ruger some questions, they said expected accuracy is 2" at 50yds. Great if all you plan to do is shoot zombies but not if you plan to reach out and touch them
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Post by rossman40 on Dec 17, 2009 11:20:01 GMT -5
The Mini 14 is a popular ranch gun but required a lot of work to get them to shoot less then 2 MOA. A friend of mine was looking at one and decided to go with a Saiga in .223 because it was dirt cheap. A beer can at 50yds maybe, a gallon milk jug at 100, again maybe. Not bad for just plinking but once it warmed up and using Wolf ammo, barn doors at 100, maybe. You could have a whole lot more fun cheaper with a heavy barrel 10/22. He now owns a AR.
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Post by Rifleman on Dec 17, 2009 16:40:49 GMT -5
Minis are as a general rule, inaccurate, cheaply made, extremely poor sights and just a poor piece. I don't think of them as all that reliable either. Much harder and expensive to improve then an AR15 and not near as many options. Poor resale value and mags are hard to find and expensive compared to an AR. I pretty much hate em. Last year I think it was Ruger came out with there super duper accurate version and even the gun rags reported it as a 2 moa rifle. Cost over a grand and 2 MOA is just not acceptable. A guy can buy a stripped AR lower for about 150 bucks and for another 500 or so can buy a cheap parts kit from model one and build a gun that will out shoot it no problem. Then you have a platform to do many many other things with. I just dont know why anyone would buy a Mini.
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Post by rangeball on Dec 17, 2009 17:16:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the update For the record, earlier today I had crossed it off the list and your comments solidify that decision I had considered it as it was semi-auto in the same caliber as the AR I was looking at. It was $550, the AR is $1200. It got my attention Thanks again
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Post by rossman40 on Dec 18, 2009 10:04:44 GMT -5
I second Rifleman's route for a .223 plinker. AR parts are so cheap and there are a ton of options. Just build you a solid lower and add uppers for different occasions. Go with a cheap M4 style upper for plinking and maybe add a 20-24" HB for serious work. And your just not limited to .223.
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Post by rangeball on Dec 18, 2009 10:10:20 GMT -5
The rock river coyote rifle I was looking at was the 16" carbine, MSRP $1200. It has the wylde chamber and a 3/4 moa accuracy guarantee.
How cheap could I build a .223 AR and still have an MOA shooter?
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Post by craigf on Dec 18, 2009 15:34:51 GMT -5
The rock river coyote rifle I was looking at was the 16" carbine, MSRP $1200. It has the wylde chamber and a 3/4 moa accuracy guarantee. How cheap could I build a .223 AR and still have an MOA shooter? I have this gun but with the 20" barrel. And is is under 3/4 MOA with good ammo. I paid less than $1200 too. www.class3weapons.com
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Post by rossman40 on Dec 18, 2009 17:46:36 GMT -5
Shop around and you should be able to get a stripped lower for less then $150. You will have to do a 4473 on the lower. You can shop the net and get a complete kit (less stripped lower) that has all the rest of the parts you need and can be shipped to your door. I have dealt a lot with Model 1 Sales in the past, www.model1sales.com/index.cfm. You can go mild to wild on the kits, from less then $500 to the sky. There are a lot of options but probly the biggest things accuracy wise is a heavy barrel and a free floating handguard. Your upper will come assembled and you will have to assemble the lower, few pins and detents and probly the hardest thing will be the pivot pin detent, just take it slow and easy. Depending on what stock you ordered you have to have a tool for the telescopic stock. I think there are videos on youtube.
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Post by Rifleman on Dec 18, 2009 19:04:33 GMT -5
I am onboard with Rossman here 100 %. I can tell you I have even bought el cheapo kits with standard 20 inch barrels in A2 configuration that would shoot moa right off the bat. I dont like their blued barrels though as chrome moly and chrome lived are 2 different things. I am old school on AR's and only stainless or chrome lined will suit me. Only problem I have run into with Model One is their hammers will not always work. They are not mil spec, at least the ones I have had. I just order a separate DPMS hammer from brownells when building on a Model one kit and forego any problems. Also on Brownells sight there is a ton of how to build info available as well as on the Midway USA sight. Just about any 20 inch barrel kit from Model one should shoot 1.5 moa or less. It is harder to get same from the 16 in kits, not really sure why, but I do have one that will shoot 1.25 all day long, and it is not match grade, just a standard M4 config chrome lined. Not free floated either. ARs just shoot, that is all there is too it.
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Post by rangeball on Dec 22, 2009 10:08:28 GMT -5
Thanks guys.
The pendulum has swung back to focusing back on ARs now, just a matter of seeing the savings between building one or buying off the shelf from RRA.
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