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Post by jeremylong on Oct 24, 2009 16:56:37 GMT -5
Been a while since I posted something useful so here is today's few shots. I have been using barnes 195's but today I tried the 200 grain sst's. 63grains 4198 harvester blue crush rib sabot...... Gotta go do chores now, the wife is on me
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Post by whyohe on Oct 24, 2009 17:12:23 GMT -5
wow now thats some fine shooting! i wonder how the 200 grn SSTs will hold up on game at that speed?
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Post by jeremylong on Oct 24, 2009 17:37:14 GMT -5
I dont know and was curious of the same thing. Hopefully somebody can shed some light for me... I have only used barnes in MZs on deer forever. I spend all year waiting, thinking, planning, and then sitting in a tree to get a chance at a 200lb whitetail buck. If I get lucky and get the chance, I dont want to second guess my bullet if I take the high shoulder shot.
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Post by dave d. on Oct 24, 2009 18:00:40 GMT -5
:)Jeremy I would not feel comfortable shooting a 200lb buck in the shoulder at close range and high velocity with the sst. I'm not trying to say it won't take the animal but they are fragile. I think you would be better suited using a 195 for close shoulder shots jmo.
Btw great shooting...
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Post by herman on Oct 24, 2009 19:45:15 GMT -5
Looks very good. How were the 195's grouping with 63 grains? Noticed dave has changed his from 62 grs to 63 grs. I have some 63 grs measured out but haven't shot them yet.
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Post by KerryB on Oct 24, 2009 20:33:21 GMT -5
That is some fine marksmanship! I wouldn't want to be a deer in your crosshairs!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2009 20:34:27 GMT -5
thats some good triggering, I plan to try another grn or two my next time out to see if it still groups...Bill
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Post by jims on Oct 24, 2009 21:51:37 GMT -5
I think SW has used the 200 SSTs with success. You might ask him. He has shot at higher velocities I believe.
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Post by jims on Oct 24, 2009 21:53:52 GMT -5
Also I forgot to say, nice shooting.
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Post by rbinar on Oct 24, 2009 21:58:57 GMT -5
8-)I love to see what that baby can do at 200 or 300 yards.
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Post by sw on Oct 24, 2009 22:10:22 GMT -5
I think SW has used the 200 SSTs with success. You might ask him. He has shot at higher velocities I believe. I've shot a # of deer with both 195s and 200SSTs. The SSTs were normally 2650 and 2730(depending on 40 or 45). All deer died, almost all DRT and 1 100yd heavily blooded trail of intentional scapula shot of 8-pt. The 200SST is highly adequate for dropping a deer, at any speed I've used. This year I'm shooting 3000'/sec with 40 cal and SST so far, am testing 195 Barnes also though. The 40 sabotless seems to do better with SST but I am working on some quenched Barnes and will see how they do. With chest shots I've had no ruined meat. With all respects to the SST, I think, if all else were equal and it isn't, the Barnes is a more forgiving bullet. Still, I'll likely use the SST. Don't be afraid of using the 200SST, it isn't a 250SST.
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Post by jeremylong on Oct 25, 2009 1:02:02 GMT -5
I can only shoot about 105 yards out of my basement doors. I have to go up to my dads to get the 200 and 300 yarders. I may give that a try later. The bad part is where I shoot at the longer ranges is pretty decent deer hunting. And I gotta keep bowhunting As far as the meat damage, with the MZ I am not real worried about it. Most of the time, including this year I have a couple deer in the freezer from the arrow. I just have to make sure it gets the job done. I wish we had an early season in Oct to go smoke a couple does and see how this combo performs on tougher shots. Quite truthfully, I have not shot this exact combo with the barnes yet. That is definitely on the to-do list. Also, this is the very first shots with the shockwaves that I have ever took. Shoot, swab barrel with fresh dry patch 3 times, wait 10 minutes, dump powder, bump gun on ground a couple times to settle powder column, shove bullet down, lean on it count to 3 and load primer - shoot again. Question though, 1 of the primers stuck pretty good on the bolt face and I had to use a pocket knife to get it off. Whats going on there? What can I do to keep that from happening?
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Post by Al on Oct 25, 2009 2:40:44 GMT -5
I think SW has used the 200 SSTs with success. You might ask him. He has shot at higher velocities I believe. I've shot a # of deer with both 195s and 200SSTs. The SSTs were normally 2650 and 2730(depending on 40 or 45). All deer died, almost all DRT and 1 100yd heavily blooded trail of intentional scapula shot of 8-pt. The 200SST is highly adequate for dropping a deer, at any speed I've used. This year I'm shooting 3000'/sec with 40 cal and SST so far, am testing 195 Barnes also though. The 40 sabotless seems to do better with SST but I am working on some quenched Barnes and will see how they do. With chest shots I've had no ruined meat. With all respects to the SST, I think, if all else were equal and it isn't, the Barnes is a more forgiving bullet. Still, I'll likely use the SST. Don't be afraid of using the 200SST, it isn't a 250SST. +1 with SW. I've shot a couple of deer with a 60gr H4198 load and SST's, 70yd and 283yd, both were pass thrus from behind the shoulders, both jellied up the insides pretty decent, even the long shot showed expansion. I wouldn't hesitate to use them.
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Post by DBinNY on Oct 25, 2009 9:58:43 GMT -5
When the primer sticks to the bolt face, just recock it and shoot (dry fire) it again. This usually lossens them right up.
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Post by Richard on Oct 25, 2009 12:20:57 GMT -5
nice shooting jeremy! love them .45's Richard
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Post by shooter on Oct 25, 2009 12:36:44 GMT -5
Awesome shooting Jeremy.Gotta love that 45 .
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Post by Chris Champion on Oct 26, 2009 11:55:09 GMT -5
Great shooting Jeremy.
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Post by jeremylong on Oct 27, 2009 20:02:14 GMT -5
Thanks guys, got a few hundred things that I would still like to try as far as loads but this one has a star next to it(thanks dave d.)
Hopefully the weather cooperates and this weekend I can get some range time in between bow hunts.
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Post by squirrelhawker on Oct 29, 2009 14:17:01 GMT -5
:)Jeremy I would not feel comfortable shooting a 200lb buck in the shoulder at close range and high velocity with the sst. I'm not trying to say it won't take the animal but they are fragile. I think you would be better suited using a 195 for close shoulder shots jmo. Btw great shooting... Dave, My buddy shot a buck last week with his H&R ultra rifle/45 ML in the early ML season here. 200 SST @ 2650fps at < 20 yds thru both shoulders. I wish I had some pics... trashed both shoulders but exit hole only slightly larger than entrance.. first time he shot the gun . I sighted it in for him a few weeks back. He didnt want to hit the shoulders but deer was so close he sighted down side of the gun to make shot...didnt use scope.
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Post by dave d. on Oct 29, 2009 16:24:56 GMT -5
:)squirrelhawker, thanks for your reply and I love to hear good stories about the 200sst but I'm just going by my own experiences with this bullet.the last deer I shot was a steep angle shot at 40yrds and I drove the bullet between the shoulder and neck and the bullet never exited. I wish I would have tried to recover the bullet to see what it looked like. I'm not against this bullet but if I have a choice I'm going with 195bx.
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Post by squirrelhawker on Oct 29, 2009 19:41:05 GMT -5
:)squirrelhawker, thanks for your reply and I love to hear good stories about the 200sst but I'm just going by my own experiences with this bullet.the last deer I shot was a steep angle shot at 40yrds and I drove the bullet between the shoulder and neck and the bullet never exited. I wish I would have tried to recover the bullet to see what it looked like. I'm not against this bullet but if I have a choice I'm going with 195bx. i know what you mean! I have never shot a deer myself with a SST. Thought I would share my buddy's experience. Also as would be expected thru both shoulders..it was a boom flop.
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Post by jeremylong on Oct 30, 2009 22:31:16 GMT -5
Hopefully the weather cooperates and after tomorrow mornings hunt I have some shooting to do. Two brand spanking new 50's have to get sighted in and the barnes are going to have to be flipped out the end of the 45. A couple of buddies are relying on me to get them going. They are new to the savage/smokeless. Got them some 4759 and N110 with 250grn xtps and barnes. Figured that a good starting point for them. If I get real lucky, they will have to wait until sunday because I will be showing off a buck, but more than likely I will be shooting.
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Post by deadeye on Oct 31, 2009 0:30:55 GMT -5
x-cellent!
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Post by jeremylong on Feb 9, 2011 21:44:12 GMT -5
My sav/pac is MOA and sometimes more and somtimes less. I expect moa out of it though shooting 62 grains H4198 smooth blue harv, 195 barnes
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Post by chuck41 on Feb 9, 2011 22:17:27 GMT -5
I don't care who you are that's just plain nice shootin'. One of those well placed in a deer will mean venison in the freezer for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2011 22:18:54 GMT -5
I shot one in the chest coming straight on @ 30 yds wjth the 200 sst @ 3000 fps and it turned a flip backwards, very quickly i might add. had a hole under the skin as big as my fist, but the bullet exited low chest... I used them last year also and they worked very well. dont be afraid of this bullet!....Bill
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Post by Savage Shooter on Feb 9, 2011 22:33:32 GMT -5
:)squirrelhawker, thanks for your reply and I love to hear good stories about the 200sst but I'm just going by my own experiences with this bullet.the last deer I shot was a steep angle shot at 40yrds and I drove the bullet between the shoulder and neck and the bullet never exited. I wish I would have tried to recover the bullet to see what it looked like. I'm not against this bullet but if I have a choice I'm going with 195bx. Distance to recovery??
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Post by jeff on Feb 10, 2011 7:01:27 GMT -5
wow now thats some fine shooting! i wonder how the 200 grn SSTs will hold up on game at that speed? Not very well in my opinion. I saw two deer shot with that exact bullet during our late doe season, both high shoulder shot at under 100 yards with either animal recovered. JMO! Jeff~
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Post by herman on Feb 10, 2011 7:18:19 GMT -5
I tried these loads of h4198 because Marty had sent me some of his 195's to try because they were a little flatter on the base to try.I had posted these pics back when I shot them. I used the load of 64 grs to hunt with that year except I used the 200 sst's. Didn't kill but one deer that year using that load.Shot a 125 lb doe at 110 yds at an going away angle.Bullet went in behind the last rib and came out the right shoulder knuckle.she dropped at the shot.I'm thinking now that I got around 2760 fps with the 64 grs. These are the best groups I have gotten with the 195's but haven't tried these load since but have tried a lot of other loads with them. I have used the sst's in my 50 cal and 45 and they get the job done for me with out any problem. Check out the 64 gr load that is 5 shots.
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Post by dave d. on Feb 10, 2011 9:47:09 GMT -5
M :)squirrelhawker, thanks for your reply and I love to hear good stories about the 200sst but I'm just going by my own experiences with this bullet.the last deer I shot was a steep angle shot at 40yrds and I drove the bullet between the shoulder and neck and the bullet never exited. I wish I would have tried to recover the bullet to see what it looked like. I'm not against this bullet but if I have a choice I'm going with 195bx. Distance to recovery?? :)mark 60 yrds.
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