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Post by encore50a on Nov 29, 2018 15:06:14 GMT -5
THE CHARGES INDICATED IN THIS POST...…. ARE NOT …….. FOR PRODUCTION MUZZLELOADERS! DO NOT ATTEMPT TO USE THIS INFORMATION IN ANY WAY. READ AND FOLLOW YOUR RIFLES OWNER'S MANUAL.
Rifle: Ultimate Firearms BP Xpress with the ASG Gen2 breech plug replacement. Finally a nice enough day to shoot and try a few things. Very little wind for a change. Shooting was completed at home at 100yds, Most of all, I wanted to see what and how the 300gr SST would shoot, in the sabot, with a maximum charge of BH209 in my BP Xpress. The charge today was 160grs volume, 112grs by weight. REMEMBER THE FIRST COUPLE SENTENCES IN THS POST!
I did not make any adjustments what so ever to the scope, having it already zeroed for the Fury 325gr star tip, which I'm using for hunting this year. And it works excellent The saboted 300gr SST shot considerably lower, even with heavier charges than used with the Fury. Goes to show, zero the rifle with your intended hunting bullet. All my BH209 charges are weighed on a balance scale to 112grs, placed in Lane's tubes. Bullets were seated hard (thump) on the propellant and with two hands. Tried to get the seating forces as close as possible. NO SCOPE ADJUSTMENT DURING THE SESSION.
First photo shows the line between the groups with and without the wad..... .518"x.060  Next the velocity without the wad..  Velocity WITH a wad...  After shooting the 300gr SST's, I shot one of my hunting bullets and charge to verify the zero. Fury 325gr star tip with 105grs weight of BH209. This combination helped me take a nice 3.5yo 8pt during our general firearm season. Hammered it and dropped it straight down, grave yard dead. 
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Post by ourway77 on Jan 19, 2019 6:29:51 GMT -5
Is ultimate firearms BP express the same as Remington 700 ultimate with Lukes BP replacement? Just want to clarify this before I attempt any of the loads listed Have you tried 200 yards if so what kind of groups did you get Thanks Lou
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Post by encore50a on Jan 19, 2019 6:56:18 GMT -5
Is ultimate firearms BP express the same as Remington 700 ultimate with Lukes BP replacement? Just want to clarify this before I attempt any of the loads listed Have you tried 200 yards if so what kind of groups did you get Thanks Lou The only difference between the two, are the threads for the breech plug and the quality of the barrel. Yes, I've shot 200yd using BH209, which Luke's plug functions perfectly with. Honestly, anyone owning either the UF or RUM that doesn't use Luke's new plugs, are doing themselves a great injustice. The target below is at 200yds with the Fury star tip and veggie wad. I tried it with 103grs and the group was pitiful. 2grs made the difference.  When shooting 300yds, I walked it right up to the bull, using the Fury star tips and veggie wad. I had a problem getting them to group and 400yds and the target wasn't worth showing.  |
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Post by billyboy on Feb 1, 2019 14:30:47 GMT -5
Do you know the pressure of these loads?
Is there a concern about how long the powder column is & does it extended into narrower portion of the barrel profile?
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Post by encore50a on Feb 1, 2019 15:44:24 GMT -5
Do you know the pressure of these loads? Is there a concern about how long the powder column is & does it extended into narrower portion of the barrel profile? I do not know the pressure of the charge, but if you contact Western they may be able to give you the specifics, as they did all the testing for maximum charges of BH. What they did say is, you can't over charge either rifle, RUM or UF with BH209, but you can waste propellant. That's an email I have saved.... The pressure will be less than what 180-200grs of T7 is. Recoil is a breeze with BH over T7. I'm quite certain is does not extend into the narrow part of the barrel. |
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Post by billyboy on Feb 15, 2019 12:43:10 GMT -5
Do you know the pressure of these loads? Is there a concern about how long the powder column is & does it extended into narrower portion of the barrel profile? I do not know the pressure of the charge, but if you contact Western they may be able to give you the specifics, as they did all the testing for maximum charges of BH. What they did say is, you can't over charge either rifle, RUM or UF with BH209, but you can waste propellant. That's an email I have saved.... The pressure will be less than what 180-200grs of T7 is. Recoil is a breeze with BH over T7. I'm quite certain is does not extend into the narrow part of the barrel. I never got a response from Western Powder??? |
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Post by billyboy on Feb 19, 2019 12:31:09 GMT -5
I do not know the pressure of the charge, but if you contact Western they may be able to give you the specifics, as they did all the testing for maximum charges of BH. What they did say is, you can't over charge either rifle, RUM or UF with BH209, but you can waste propellant. That's an email I have saved.... The pressure will be less than what 180-200grs of T7 is. Recoil is a breeze with BH over T7. I'm quite certain is does not extend into the narrow part of the barrel. I never got a response from Western Powder??? OK, Western finally responded with 150 grs by Volume / 105 by Weight of BH209 is the Maximum with a 325 Gr Bullet in the Rem 700 UML. |
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Post by encore50a on Feb 19, 2019 12:36:22 GMT -5
I never got a response from Western Powder??? OK, Western finally responded with 150 grs by Volume / 105 by Weight of BH209 is the Maximum with a 325 Gr Bullet in the Rem 700 UML. Evidently they didn't drop the charge much for the 325gr bullets over the 300gr bullets. I had a discussion with them quite some time back and have a couple emails saved which indicate 160grs volume or 112grs by weight. I also have an email from them that just states you can't over charge the rifle. |
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Post by lwh723 on Feb 19, 2019 12:37:38 GMT -5
OK, Western finally responded with 150 grs by Volume / 105 by Weight of BH209 is the Maximum with a 325 Gr Bullet in the Rem 700 UML. Evidently they didn't drop the charge much for the 325gr bullets over the 300gr bullets. I had a discussion with them quite some time back and have a couple emails saved which indicate 160grs volume or 112grs by weight. I also have an email from them that just states you can't over charge the rifle. At least with sabotless you can definitely overcharge. I know one guy that accidentally shot 200gr by weight and ringed a 45 cal barrel. |
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Post by encore50a on Feb 19, 2019 13:58:26 GMT -5
Evidently they didn't drop the charge much for the 325gr bullets over the 300gr bullets. I had a discussion with them quite some time back and have a couple emails saved which indicate 160grs volume or 112grs by weight. I also have an email from them that just states you can't over charge the rifle. At least with sabotless you can definitely overcharge. I know one guy that accidentally shot 200gr by weight and ringed a 45 cal barrel. Not sure why it would ring or not ring a 45cal barrel, unless if shooter the accidently over charged it to 200grs, could he/she have also seated two bullets accidently? I'm no expert concerning pressures, rather far from it. My conversation with Western/Ramshot was specific to the 50cal RUM and UF rifles. This is the last email I received from Western, relating to the 50cal RUM and UF rifles: Ramshot Customer Service <customerservice@ramshot.com>
To:
encore50@xxxxxxx.com
Jan 28, 2016 at 3:56 PM
George,
Blackhorn 209 will not over pressure either rifle.
Don W.
CSR Western Powders
This is the email indicating Western's maximum charge: Ramshot Customer Service <customerservice@ramshot.com>
To:
encore50@fxxxxxxxx.com
Jan 28, 2016 at 3:34 PM
..The Remington Ultimate ML can use a maximum of 160 volume (112gr by weight).
Don W.
CSR Western Powders
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