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Post by painless31 on Oct 26, 2018 11:59:23 GMT -5
Hello all, I have been a lurker here for several years and I need some help. I have/had a REM 700ML 50 caliber blued barrel that I bought used several years ago, the thing shot everything that I ran through it. My chosen load was 2 777 50 grain pellets and a Barnes 250 grain expander (sabot that came in package) with a Remington 209 primer. I also put it in a McMillan classic stock and bedded the action, it would routinely shoot .75 MOA or less at 100 yards. After several years of use the barrel was toast, mostly due to my laziness, I would leave the gun loaded from weekend to weekend and the pellets would just eat the barrel. I know that was a stupid move on my part. A year or so ago I contacted a member here and purchased a 700 SS rem take off barrel and the Hunter bolt nose kit and breech plug. After twisting everything up I haven't been able to get the thing to shoot better than 3" groups at 100 yards. I am almost to the point of pulling the barrel and going Brux Remage and 45 caliber. Before I do that I want to give this one last shot. I have tried most 250 grain bullet offerings and multiple sabots and all different powder types and charges trying to figure out what this rifle likes. I have made sure that the barrel is free floated and is not touching the stock anywhere, I am moving up to 300 grain pills to see if that will help at all. I want to shoot BH209, I just need to know where I need to be charge wise with the 300 grainers and what sabots you guys think might work best. If I can't get it to shoot with any of the combo's I try this weekend I am going to pull the barrel and order from ASG.
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Post by encore50a on Oct 26, 2018 14:15:07 GMT -5
Problem is in my case, I'm not following my dad's (R.I.P.) advice.... "If you don't have the money or time to do it right the first time, where will you get the money or time to do it over?" I've went through a lot of pains sticking with the 50's and still not completely done. However when I've finally reached my limit, I'll do what I should have already done.
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Post by painless31 on Oct 26, 2018 15:46:13 GMT -5
I understand completely, I already have a quote from Luke on everything I need to convert to 45, but by his own admission the custom tubes can be picky too. I think after the season I will yank it and do it anyway but thought that I might give it one more shot before I tear it down and start over.
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Post by BuckDoeHunter on Oct 26, 2018 16:33:50 GMT -5
I had a lot of unburned BH209 powder when I tried to get a Rem 700ML, with the Hunter bolt nose and breech plug kit, to shoot. My best combo was a 250gr Barnes TMZ with the supplied yellow sabot. I had a lot of vertical stringing and this was in a bedded/pillered Boyds stock. It worked for my daughter for one season then I put a Pac-Nor .45 cal barrel on it, I'm much happier now.
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Post by painless31 on Oct 27, 2018 18:24:50 GMT -5
Well good news, I found a load that shot under an 1" today. 81 grains weighed BH209 and a 300 grain Barns expander with a Winchester primer got me in the berry patch. Shot 5 three shot groups that all went right at .75. Thank God, that saved me some coin. Do want to thank Luke though, and when I shoot this barrel out I will be going 45 caliber
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Post by 10ga on Oct 27, 2018 19:57:22 GMT -5
I will suggest going to full bore conicals. 250 Thor do great in my brother and buds 700ML. I'd also suggest the offerings from Fury. Their 325 X 50 shoots great in my rifles. OH yeah, I keep a couple 50 on hand for newbies to learn with and for going west when/if ever get a good tag. However have 4 different 45s and they are my regular hunting rifles now. Unless I'm hunting public land and need a gun that is overpowered to make them DRT!! Then it's my 50 with black crush rib and .458 bullets of 300 grain HP over whatever powder is accurate. Out to 200 it'll SLAM them down with a high shoulder shot. My experience and opinion, others will be different. 10 ga
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Post by encore50a on Oct 28, 2018 7:11:58 GMT -5
I agree with the Fury 325x50. I've been shooting them from my UF with heavy charges of BH and they are accurate to 300.
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Post by painless31 on Nov 6, 2018 17:11:47 GMT -5
Well I got a chance to try out the above bullet and powder charge this weekend, and I was not disappointed. Can't say the same for this guy though.......
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Post by rambler on Nov 6, 2018 17:25:05 GMT -5
Very nice buck. Congrats!
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Post by encore50a on Nov 6, 2018 19:52:56 GMT -5
Congrats!
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Post by BuckDoeHunter on Nov 7, 2018 22:05:09 GMT -5
Congrats! Nice buck!
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Post by billyboy on Nov 9, 2018 14:32:44 GMT -5
Well I got a chance to try out the above bullet and powder charge this weekend, and I was not disappointed. Can't say the same for this guy though....... Congratulations, you obviously got that barrel figured out with the 81 grs of BH 209 by weight & Barnes 300 gr Expander!
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Post by bphunter1974 on Mar 15, 2021 16:54:27 GMT -5
Nice buck
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Post by buster5th on Apr 9, 2021 21:34:00 GMT -5
Can someone tell me how this site works? I purchased a Barrel for a savage and bullets from prbullet. He said go to Dougs message board to find loads. Here I am. I have wasted way to much time trying to find a single load. I am not here to talk about the pandemic or other problems. Was just looking for a load section like you would find in a owners manual of a new muzzle loader. If id doesn't exist here I will move on. So that post was over a year ago. I did see a reply at one time asking for more info but now it is gone. So here is what I have. 23 inch 50 cal green mountain barrel made be prbullet for a savage drop in. Assembly was easy finding loads and instructions is not. Uses the variflame primer. I also had a gunsmith make me a 45 cal with a brux barrel. He buys his inputs from Hankins. Came assembled on my savage small shank gun. Uses the Hankins primer system. I have 4198 powder and federal 215 primers.
First I wll say nothing came with instructions so I went to youtube for info. Here are a couple of general questions. How tight do you tighten barrel nut on a savage? I put at around 50ft pounds? On a Brux barrel my nut wrench will not fit over the barrel to get to the nut. Suggestions? A problem I had when I tightened the breech plug to less than 20ft punds and the barrel turned.
Green mountain 23inch 50 cal loads. 300 grain thor bullet. I found loads ranging from 45 to 70 grains. What is a duplex load? What is a booster powder? Is there a how to start page? A PDF of loads.
Brux 45 24 inch from hankins that my local gunsmith built. 275 grain Parker bullet. I read on Hanks message boards people using 60 to 65 grains of 4198 on a 275 grain bullet. I found his youtube channel and he has a 32 pound 45 cal, 28 inch that he calls Brutus or trex I don't remember its name. He says he is shooting a 350 grain bullet at 3800fps but wont tell tell the powder. I was told is the same barrel that I have and I am wodering how that can be done.
I have spent a lot of time wondering on this site. I am tired. Is there a something I missed on how to's? I have wasted a lot of time on you tube on how to do mechanical things. Problem is you have five amateurs that think they know and take way to long and then a knowledgeable person that knows how and fast.
Bottom line is I am tired. I bought a product and just want some instructions so here I am. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I can't wait for the interesting answers. Thank you in advance.
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Post by billc on Apr 10, 2021 14:11:41 GMT -5
Can someone tell me how this site works? I purchased a Barrel for a savage and bullets from prbullet. He said go to Dougs message board to find loads. Here I am. I have wasted way to much time trying to find a single load. I am not here to talk about the pandemic or other problems. Was just looking for a load section like you would find in a owners manual of a new muzzle loader. If id doesn't exist here I will move on. In the Savage/Smokeless section there is load/pressure trace data
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Post by ET on Apr 10, 2021 21:56:10 GMT -5
Can someone tell me how this site works? I purchased a Barrel for a savage and bullets from prbullet. He said go to Dougs message board to find loads. Here I am. I have wasted way to much time trying to find a single load. I am not here to talk about the pandemic or other problems. Was just looking for a load section like you would find in a owners manual of a new muzzle loader. If id doesn't exist here I will move on. You sure don't provide a lot of info to work with. Smoke or smokeless powder? What bullets (weight) are you planning to shoot? I assume it's a 50cal? If your planning on using BH 209 www.blackhorn209.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/b209muzzleloaderdata.pdf
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Post by GMB54-120 on Apr 12, 2021 23:32:14 GMT -5
Really kind of need to know more about this Savage barrel you bought and what size. Such as small shank or large shank, caliber and what breech plug you got too.
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Post by ourway77 on Oct 12, 2021 6:22:28 GMT -5
I agree with the fury bullets sized to .503 in my ultimate
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Post by buster5th on Dec 6, 2022 11:21:24 GMT -5
Really kind of need to know more about this Savage barrel you bought and what size. Such as small shank or large shank, caliber and what breech plug you got too. I entered all the info I think needed. My other problem I don't understand how these forms work. I am old enough that everything I purchased in the past had a paper manual now you buy something and go online to figure it out but first you have to do firmware updates. The builder of the drop in kits could provide some suggestions or a manual for what they are charging.
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Post by GMB54-120 on Dec 6, 2022 12:31:38 GMT -5
Savage small shank is only about an inch OD and you have the load data that he suggested for 4198. A barrel nut gun is NOT the same as his Cyclops rifle. That has a much larger OD barrel. It was about 1.3" OD if i recall with a very heavy contour.
Cant help with Cecil and PR conversions. The guy is a loon.
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Post by buster5th on Dec 10, 2022 10:01:41 GMT -5
A loon might be a little harsh. A opinionated Canadian gunsmith might be a little more accurate. My local gunsmith built my smokeless on my savage model 12 small shank with Hankinson stuff. I am not sure how much he bought pre-assembled and how much work he did. It is a Brux barrel in a 45. The shank is about 4 inches long and 1.25" od. He said it is the same barrel as cyclops. But it is on a Savage small shank. I have no interest in shooting a 360 grain bullet at 3800fps out of a sub 10 pound gun but would like to get a 275 or 300 grain going 3000fps. I have no suggested load data from anyone. I have looked on here and found other peoples favorite loads. 60 to 66 grains of 4198. I know what I don't know and not afraid to ask. Also know the dangers of improper reloading. Not first hand and don't want to learn the hard way. I am going to go the savage load pressure section. Thank you for you help so far.
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Post by GMB54-120 on Dec 14, 2022 18:51:59 GMT -5
So the gun does not have a barrel nut?
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