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Post by cat2024 on Jan 27, 2018 11:06:51 GMT -5
Does a slufoot conversion use a standard Savage breach plug?
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Post by AJ on Jan 27, 2018 11:18:48 GMT -5
The H&R Buffalo Classic Slufoot did for me used a Savage BP.
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Post by busta on Jan 27, 2018 13:26:33 GMT -5
Does a slufoot conversion use a standard Savage breach plug? Standard Savage Breech Plug that has been modified. He reamed out the diameter of the primer pocket, and added a shim in the bottom of the pocket. If this was not done, you could not seat and extract a primer in the savage plug by hand/fingers. The Savage bolt holds the primer and gives you mechanical advantage to force the primer into the pocket, and extract it as well. So, it is not plug and play.
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Post by cat2024 on Jan 27, 2018 13:50:17 GMT -5
So what does one do if they needed a replacement breach plug? That's one thing that worries me is slufoot is no longer modifying plugs anymore. Does anyone modify plugs this way anymore to where I could have a resource for aftermarket purchase?
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Post by smokepolehall on Jan 27, 2018 16:20:01 GMT -5
I am in the same boat you are. I have only the one plug done n no 2nd one to have on hand
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Post by cat2024 on Jan 27, 2018 17:58:16 GMT -5
I am in the same boat you are. I have only the one plug done n no 2nd one to have on hand Yeah I hate that it isnt a standard part off the shelf to replace.
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Post by Dunthat on Jan 27, 2018 18:29:06 GMT -5
The original Savage Breech Plugs with hex head are available from Luke at Arrowhead...Available in the ventliner model or one with a bushing. Don't think they need a shim to be properly sealed...Call him ..he'll let you know.
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Post by busta on Feb 1, 2018 19:01:18 GMT -5
They will still need to be reamed and headspaced for your particular primer to use in a tip-up. They'll only be plug-n-play in the savage.
I'm sure Luke or Bestill could hook you up if you sent your barrel for a breech plug and primer of your choice headspacing of the breech end of the barrel.
I bought one of Cecils stainless Savage replacements that I'll just modify when the time comes. Mines a Blackhorn smoker, so that might be down the road a piece.
If you know what the OAL of your breech plug with preferred primer is best suited for your rifle, Luke or Bestill should be able to hook you up that way as well.
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 5, 2018 12:26:00 GMT -5
I don't think Luke has anymore of the original type plugs. He does have his own with a built in primer shelf. I doubt it will fit as a direct bolt-in, the shelf is likely too low, or too high. I can fit either plug to a given gun, might only need the original plug that Slufoot fitted instead of the whole gun. Maybe Luke will chime in on what's available.
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 5, 2018 12:29:01 GMT -5
I sent Luke a PM to comment...
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Post by lwh723 on Feb 6, 2018 8:41:49 GMT -5
The shelf in the ASG plugs is deeper than what Slufoot set his up at. He has said the PR Bullets plug has the shelf at the right depth.
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Post by quillen52 on Feb 6, 2018 9:15:03 GMT -5
Is that to allow the use of shims?
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 6, 2018 10:37:59 GMT -5
I would assume that it might work as is? The ASG version of the Savage plug would need shims.
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Post by lwh723 on Feb 7, 2018 10:22:51 GMT -5
The ASG savage plug has a deeper shelf so more of the primer gets in the plug and seals better. But you would need to shim it if you used it in a Slufoot gun.
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Post by busta on Feb 7, 2018 20:00:16 GMT -5
I am in the same boat you are. I have only the one plug done n no 2nd one to have on hand Hey Mike, measure the OAL with your preferred primer installed in your Slufoot Savage plug, and I'll measure the OAL of the PR Stainless plug for you. Also give me the length of the primer you used for the OAL. I would measure my Slufoot plug, but it's installed with a load in it for a test I'm conducting. I've never even taken the PR (Savage Replacement) breech plug out of the package, but will get the information for you or anyone else that wants it. Like I tried saying above, but nobody seemed to want to listen? The stock Savage plug will need to be reamed and a shim added. I'll measure the PR plug with a few primers and give both lengths and a OAL.
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Post by busta on Feb 7, 2018 20:48:33 GMT -5
OK, here are the Primer and OAL breech plug measurements with the PR Savage "head spaced" 416 stainless steel breech plug. To the nearest half thou. Primer shelf is 0.1785" deep. Plug length with no primer, 1.842". OAL with 0.300" long Winchester W209, 1.9645". OAL with 0.297" long Federal 209A, 1.9615". OAL with 0.295" long CCI 209M, 1.9595". www.prbullet.com/s-breech.htmwww.prbullet.com/shop/products_view.php?sSKU=0516Could we get some measurements of the Slufoot modified Savage beech plugs? The more the merrier. I'll measure mine once I'm finished with my test, but it'll be a while before that happens. Post 'em if you got 'em!
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 8, 2018 10:31:21 GMT -5
The fit of the primer needs to be based from the sealing shoulder where the breechplug stops in the barrel, not how far it protrudes from the pocket, unless the PR plug dimensions exactly match the original plug in your gun. Was the 1.842 length from the tip of the vent/bushing snout or from the sealing shoulder?
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Post by busta on Feb 8, 2018 11:53:16 GMT -5
I realize this, and the plug looks to be identical dimensions in the front end. And yes, I'm assuming that Cecil had them made the same, with the exception of the depth of the primer shelf, in his words "head spaced".
I'm just trying to figure out if we are in the same ballpark or not. I'll modify mine if I have to when the time comes.
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Post by cnymuzguy on Feb 18, 2019 15:41:56 GMT -5
I know this is an old thread...but got to thinking about the Slufoot plug replacement my self. Eventually, I'd like to get vent liner "free" plug. Anyway, I measured depth to the primer shelf (bushing) on both of my conversions, one was .182, the other .180. I looks like to PR plug would work ok with the right primer.
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Post by kennacl55 on Feb 18, 2019 21:55:25 GMT -5
I also have 2 stainless precision plugs that were done by Slufoot. I will measure mine to see what they are. I would like to do away with the vent liners also. I know mine were set up for Winchester primers if that makes much difference.
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 19, 2019 10:51:02 GMT -5
I would like to do away with the vent liners also. Prior to his shop burning down, Cole machined and tapped a breech plug so a bushing could be used. Any good machinist could do the same with an existing plug.
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Post by 1gifford on Feb 21, 2019 9:35:06 GMT -5
Anybody convert a Slufoot gun to DI? Is it possible?
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Post by smokepolehall on Feb 21, 2019 14:16:25 GMT -5
I have not shot mine since 2017, i need to look at it. I have no way to measure my slufoot BP set up. No dial calipers or Micrometer. I would have to pull it n take it to a Machine shop
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Post by kennacl55 on Feb 23, 2019 21:34:37 GMT -5
Anyone know where to get a carbide bushing installed in a precision plug, I would like to stop using vent liners.
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Post by scat on Feb 24, 2019 0:05:11 GMT -5
Most all Slufoot conversions had a shim pressed into the plug for the primer to seat against. This made the primer pocket .180" deep. With the primer nose seated on the shim, it measured 1.800" from plug seating flange to face of primer. I made a plug to replace a Savage plug that uses DI modules and headspaces properly in several guns that Slufoot converted. This is the only pic I have currently. I also made one for modules.
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Post by kennacl55 on Feb 24, 2019 17:17:03 GMT -5
I took some measurements from my 2 precision stainless plugs: primer pockets shelf were both .178- OAL of plugs were 1.844 & 1.842 - OAL with Winchester 209 primer inserted = 1.964 & 1.965 I hope this helps someone.
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