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Post by dannoboone on Dec 5, 2017 15:18:06 GMT -5
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Post by 4buck on Dec 6, 2017 18:29:31 GMT -5
I seen that in the des moines paper today
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Post by ourway77 on Dec 6, 2017 19:06:38 GMT -5
No money in the world is worth it. I can't see how anybody would fake something like that just from the looks of his hand. Human error is 99% of all these accidents maybe 1% is legitimate but how does one prove it happened the way it did. Juries today will find against the Defendant in most all gun related cases especially if the jury is made up with liberals. We live in a sue crazy world
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Post by dannoboone on Dec 7, 2017 11:40:50 GMT -5
Not suggesting the injury was fake, but anymore, someone screws up, blames the gun manufacturer, and becomes a "lottery winner" all too often. But then, it happens in other areas as well. Because of so much litigation, product liability insurance has gone through the roof.....guess who pays for that in the end?
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Post by leftydeadeye on Dec 7, 2017 17:35:00 GMT -5
No doubt the injury is real, but how can anyone prove anything without physical evidence prior to the shot? To much /wrong powder/bullet/bullets/ multiple charges/ Where is the ram rod? I can see why the company stopped production. Smokeless energy is not something to be foolish with. So unfortunate!
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Post by Dave W on Dec 8, 2017 19:05:26 GMT -5
No idea if they used substandard metal but I had over 2300 shots through mine with no issues and two friends still use theirs but they will never accumulate the amount of shots I fired at their current rate of shooting.
Always felt these occurrences are the result of operator error and will continue to do so until it is proven otherwise.
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Post by AJ on Dec 8, 2017 21:24:02 GMT -5
Always felt these occurrences are the result of operator and will continue to do so until it is proven otherwise. Yep, I concur. My feelings exactly. With today's lawsuit happy population and always looking for others to blame for their own screw-ups, I no longer have the dream to be a gunsmith or do gun builds for others.
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Post by sw on Dec 9, 2017 19:44:17 GMT -5
Always felt these occurrences are the result of operator and will continue to do so until it is proven otherwise. Yep, I concur. My feelings exactly. With today's lawsuit happy population and always looking for others to blame for their own screw-ups, I no longer have the dream to be a gunsmith or do gun builds for others. As a dentist and a flight instructor, I constantly live with the possibility of a fallacious law suit. The amount of documentation for “cya” can be unbelievable! I no longer give sign offs but give very documented BFRs. Custom built MLers and aircraft airworthiness sign offs are areas where you can do everything right and within reason yet still can be drug into court.
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Post by mimath314 on Dec 9, 2017 21:54:30 GMT -5
I feel that 99.9% of most "accidents" are actual operator error. If a tree suddenly falls in front of me on an unfamiliar road, a meteorite falls from the sky, etc. are accidents. Anything less is probably operator error...
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Post by iahunter21 on Dec 11, 2017 9:31:32 GMT -5
Hi guys. My wife and I are new to the Savage ML ii. I bought her a used one last year for christmas. She has shot it 7 or 8 times to sight it in. So far so good. I have to admit, seeing the news article above has me a bit worried. My question: Do I need to be worried? I follow the recipe in the manual (44gr accurate arms xmp-5744 with 250gr hornady .452 sst). I have a piece of tape on the ramrod so I know if the bullet is seated properly or double loaded. Do you guys have any other suggestions to help ease our worries while shooting? The last thing I want is for my wife to get seriously injured while shooting. Thanks!
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Post by dannoboone on Dec 11, 2017 10:57:41 GMT -5
Welcome to the board, Iahunter21.
You should have no worries with that load, keeping in mind to always visually check the loading depth.
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Post by rjhans53 on Dec 11, 2017 19:08:58 GMT -5
I look and read the the thing, I agree that 99% if not more are user error. So the 1st shot this year (as I read it) blew up, hmmm sounds to me like he didn't discharge it last year and didn't check with a witness mark. If I was going to guess what happened that is, I wsan't there so I don't know. Even though I share that guys name it wasn't me
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Post by Dunthat on Dec 11, 2017 20:01:39 GMT -5
Hi guys. My wife and I are new to the Savage ML ii. I bought her a used one last year for christmas. She has shot it 7 or 8 times to sight it in. So far so good. I have to admit, seeing the news article above has me a bit worried. My question: Do I need to be worried? I follow the recipe in the manual (44gr accurate arms xmp-5744 with 250gr hornady .452 sst). I have a piece of tape on the ramrod so I know if the bullet is seated properly or double loaded. Do you guys have any other suggestions to help ease our worries while shooting? The last thing I want is for my wife to get seriously injured while shooting. Thanks! If you shoot the loads mentioned and use a witness mark you will have no problems... The key is like others have mentioned ...pay attention, don't get distracted when shooting, and never pull the trigger before checking your witness mark
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