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Post by GMB54-120 on Nov 26, 2017 10:06:17 GMT -5
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Post by wildchild on Nov 26, 2017 10:18:35 GMT -5
Ya and it never got answered and now I found the correct topic to post it under in hopes for a knowledgeable reply.
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Post by wildchild on Nov 26, 2017 10:35:17 GMT -5
Tried deleting the thread but just deleted my question.
See we have special no go topics.
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Post by jims on Nov 26, 2017 10:56:28 GMT -5
The concern is if the wrong barrel material not made for smokeless it could be real trouble.
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Post by lwh723 on Nov 26, 2017 10:57:36 GMT -5
The concern is if the wrong barrel material not made for smokeless it could be real trouble. I’m typing this with voice to text just to see what it would be like if I only had one hand For taping |
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Post by edge on Nov 26, 2017 12:14:14 GMT -5
I’m typing this with voice to text just to see what it would be like if I only had one hand For taping Now that's funny  edge. |
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Post by wildchild on Nov 26, 2017 14:29:51 GMT -5
Ya inheard them 700ML barrels are 50/50 aluminum blend! 🤔
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Post by edge on Nov 26, 2017 15:28:28 GMT -5
Ya inheard them 700ML barrels are 50/50 aluminum blend! 🤔 The barrel material MAY be quite fine, does the BP degrade the thickness to an unsafe thickness, does blah, blah blah... All we know is the Manufacturer has deemed smokeless to be unsafe. We all take risks on a daily basis. Do you drive 125 mph in the summer heat of Nevada on tires not rated for that, some do, and most don't have a blowout, some probably do. If you want the moniker of Lefty, ( for missing that hand ), then learn to Speak Text as Luke did in his last reply. 99% of the time people cheat death doing things they probably should not do. Take The Flying Wallendas, 9,999 out of a ten thousand times they make it to the other side...when they don't, people get injured, and sometimes they die. No one can tell you what you have to do, my opinion is use barrels that the manufacturer says are correct. Sometimes they are wrong too, so even that is not a guarantee that the barrel will not fail. IMO, it is cheap insurance, but do what you want. edge. |
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Post by 7mmfreak on Nov 29, 2017 17:57:42 GMT -5
I don't follow the party belief on this one and won't until somebody provides some metallurgy tests showing the barrel material is not capable. Until then I'll stand my ground. Just like I don't think that an ML700 can't shoot BH209. I'm about 99.9% certain it's about covering someone's ass. That said, I don't shoot smokeless in them. Regardless, I think all questions merit a legit response because someone doesn't know the answer or they wouldn't ask.
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Post by rambler on Nov 29, 2017 18:04:30 GMT -5
Looks like the OP deleted his comment.
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Post by sw on Dec 2, 2017 19:59:53 GMT -5
A few years ago, I did Rocknell hardness testing of all my ML gun barrels, and that's a lot! 7 smokeless and 11 non-smokeless. The 12L14 barrels (Green River and others) were the softest, next were the 1144 (? ? Can't remember the # for sure), such as Green Mountain and T/C barrels, and then came the 41L40 that my Ozark Mtn Arms 1857 Gremler Hawkin replica has (Shilen Barrel), Savage 10ML, PacNor , and the Rem 700 ML 45 (which came with a Shaw barrel). However, the breechplug design of the Rem ML just looks like a disaster in the making. So, the Shilen, Sav, PacNor and Rem 700 barrels were all within 1 Rocknell hardness #. I know nothing about metallurgy. However, since Shaw made the 700 ML barrel, and it's hardness is the same as the other modern steel barrels, I expect it is modern steel.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Dec 3, 2017 12:01:21 GMT -5
However, the breechplug design of the Rem ML just looks like a disaster in the making. So, the Shilen, Sav, PacNor and Rem 700 barrels were all within 1 Rocknell hardness #. I know nothing about metallurgy. However, since Shaw made the 700 ML barrel, and it's hardness is the same as the other modern steel barrels, I expect it is modern steel. I don't argue the plug is the limiting factor but I'm not shocked at all that Remington barrel appears to be just like all the other modern barrels. |
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Post by jims on Dec 3, 2017 13:38:04 GMT -5
good information to know
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Post by edge on Dec 5, 2017 14:26:59 GMT -5
I don't argue the plug is the limiting factor but I'm not shocked at all that Remington barrel appears to be just like all the other modern barrels. AND what exactly does "appears" mean? Stand back from a car and without looking at the make and model tell me whether the Tires are rated the same, you can't! If you think for one second that the tires on a Corvette are the same as on the Chevy Spark you would be nuts! If some manufacturer makes a limited run of something and can use existing parts, without a significant cost differential, then they may do exactly that. On the other hand, if they are planning on selling mass quantities then they are likely looking to shave pennies from their costs. Anyone ever change spark plug wires? Are they the same length to every cylinder...NO, why because they can save a few pennies on the shorter ones...PENNIES. edge. |
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Post by 7mmfreak on Dec 6, 2017 14:20:47 GMT -5
Edge,
I said it appears to be the same because it is carbon steel and has the same Rockwell hardness as the other barrels made of modern steel. Remington only lists material for their rifles as stainless or carbon, not 416 or 4140. Cheap muzzleloaders are often made from 12L14 and other mild steels. Rifle barrels also are not heat treated for hardness due to warping plus a barrel needs some elasticity, although they are heat treated for stress relief especially if buttoned; I've started paying to cryo all my barrels for that reason. Parts that are heat treated for hardness are usually done so for wear resistance. I don't think you could heat treat then hammer forge a barrel either. Therefore, if a piece of barstock is the same material and the same hardness as other bar stock just like it, it will remain just like it when you choose to drill, ream, and rifle it since it won't be heat treated for toughness like and action will.
Either way, because I'm tired of seeing a bunch of assumptions made and stated as fact, I called Remington to find out: the action and barrel are the same 4140 used in all their other guns according to Parts Department. Just the same, follow the user manual and don't shoot anything but BP or subs.
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Post by edge on Dec 6, 2017 14:36:38 GMT -5
SNIP. I called Remington to find out: the action and barrel are the same 4140 used in all their other guns according to Parts Department. Just the same, follow the user manual and don't shoot anything but BP or subs. Good to know, and also good advice  edge. |
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