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Post by ourway77 on Apr 2, 2016 16:03:27 GMT -5
I have watched numerous video's and the shooter loads the bare bullet in the rifle with no resistance at all When I have a loose bullet the rifle fires it about 15 feet out what am I doing wrong? On the video the ram rod seats the bare bullet with no help of the shooter and it fires every time. He states he uses 55 grains of H-4198 and bare pistol bullets right out of the box. I watched Lukes video on full form sizing and he did the same thing shot a loose bullet and the rifle fired. I am smooth sizing my bullets should I go to another sizing die?
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Post by smokeeter on Apr 2, 2016 17:32:19 GMT -5
Lou there's loose and there's little resistance. I don't think a bullet that doesn't have enough resistance will fire adequately with smokeless powder. Try bumping your bullets up with a little knurling. Have you tried a veggie wad, that might be enough to get adequate ignition.
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Post by ourway77 on Apr 3, 2016 9:24:24 GMT -5
I have tried the .060 wads and every now and then I get one that goes 15 Yards I think I have narrowed it down to the way I have to start the wads it seems if I start the wad caddy wampus it will do it? I will try knurling the bullets as you suggest I know some think some questions are stupid but I honestly don't know what to do to correct the problem other than to ask. Thanks Paul
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Post by lwh723 on Apr 3, 2016 9:28:51 GMT -5
What primer?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 12:23:06 GMT -5
In the Marines I was told that the only dumb question is the unasked question.That is how we are suppose to learn things and why we have such good advice given on this forum.
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Post by bestill on Apr 3, 2016 12:38:45 GMT -5
I shoot solely blackhorn209 powder and this can happen with it also because its a form of slow smokeless powder. I find it happens with extremely loose fitting bullets or dirty flame channel or low powered primer. If bullet fit has one hand loading resistance and clean flame channel and federal209A primer it will ignite properly every time..
Remember if ever have misfire with smokeless and bullet doesn't exit be sure to reseat bullet on powder...
I highly recommend federal209A primer!!!
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Post by ourway77 on Apr 4, 2016 5:34:46 GMT -5
I use 209=A primers always. Yes I do check if the primer just goes poof and most time the bullet comes off the powder so I reseat it and try again but most all left the barrel. I am using H-4198 55 grains. Just had eye surgery so I can not shoot for a month or so as soon as I can. I will try knurling some for a tighter fit and try that. I had no problem at all using sabots 45/40 10/4759 48/4198 Thanks all for the help Lou
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Post by smokeeter on Apr 4, 2016 6:56:13 GMT -5
Lou sabots were giving you a better seal , that's why they always went bang. I you get your sizing right you shouldn't have a problem
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Post by cvadave on Apr 4, 2016 8:46:21 GMT -5
From what you posted about using sabot and no problem, you were also using a duplex load for that set up. Have you tried a duplex load with what you are having a problem with?
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Post by edge on Apr 4, 2016 9:01:43 GMT -5
Do you use a clean or fouled BP? I shoot a fouled plug and you lose a fair amount of ignition this way...IMO A drilled out plug allows more primer to reach the powder so looser bullets fire easier. I prefer a dirty plug, even though I need duplex because it stays consistent longer. A clean plug is constantly changing vs a dirty plug that once dirty changes very little. Blonds vs Brunettes edge.
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Post by rangeball on Apr 4, 2016 9:45:09 GMT -5
I prefer a plug that burns the hottest. You know, the red head
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Post by smokeeter on Apr 4, 2016 18:26:31 GMT -5
I believe this is a fairly recent build, so I don't expect it to be fouled very much yet.
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Post by jims on Apr 4, 2016 19:26:08 GMT -5
Those breech plugs I have found can foul quickly, it does not take too many shots for the crud to build up in them.
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Post by ourway77 on Apr 5, 2016 3:58:34 GMT -5
I clean my guns after every outing I also clean the breech plug after one of those that go fizz to make sure the bullet left the barrel and from what I have seen the breech plug is not that dirty. As soon as my eye heals I will try again but this time I will smooth size my bullets (only die I have) so they have a good amount of resistance. I have a Remington SS ML'er/ Brux barrel soon to be done would anyone recommend a full form die? Thanks Again Lou
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Post by edge on Apr 5, 2016 5:15:16 GMT -5
SNIP. from what I have seen the breech plug is not that dirty. SNIP. Sorry, too imprecise Either you drill it out regularly with something close to 5/32 or it is a dirty plug! Back in the early days someone thought there was a design change to the Savage plug because the hole was only about 1/16 in diameter! It was just primer crud and until you drill it out you will swear it is steel The dimensions in this sketch are pretty close. edge.
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Post by ported45 on Apr 20, 2016 7:15:29 GMT -5
I am also pretty new to the sabotless game. Only have about 15 shots through my cMc Rem/Shilen .45. Load is 10/50 Clays/H4198 with a 60 fiber wad and assorted 250 grain bullets. I started with 5 pistol bullets sized to glide to the bottom on top of a 60 fiber wad just to get the thing fouled. Next trip out I shot a few more at debris on the 100 yard berm to get the scope rough-sighted in. Next trip was a few 250 SST and 250 Monoflex muzzleloader bullets just trying out bullet sizing fit for the barrel since it should be sufficiently fouled by this point. Last trip was finally shooting at some paper and the first two 250 SST went right at 0.25" center-to-center at 100 yards. I adjusted the scope and shot my last shot and I now consider the rifle sighted in.
In all of this shooting, the bullets went from VERY little resistance, to hammering down, to very little resistance (after a change on the bullet sizing die) and every single one of them went bang and hit close enough to the crosshairs to hit or move the debris at 100 yards plus some very promising results on paper.
Now I just need to play with the bullet sizing die a little to put a little more resistance in the seating as I am afraid that the bullet might back off the wad while being carried/handled during hunting as it feels that the bullets are still that loose right now to me.
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Post by ourway77 on Apr 22, 2016 8:43:45 GMT -5
I have found if your bullets are loose there is only one way to make them fit tighter is to knurl the bullet between 2 files when I first started with my smooth sizing die I reduced them too much rather than discarding them I knurled them and they fit with enough resistence to keep the bullet from moving The sizing die won't help if the bullets are too loose however the sizing die is great for taking over sized bullets down. I am still learning all this.
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Post by rambler on Apr 22, 2016 8:51:27 GMT -5
I have found if your bullets are loose there is only one way to make them fit tighter is to knurl the bullet between 2 files when I first started with my smooth sizing die I reduced them too much rather than discarding them I knurled them and they fit with enough resistence to keep the bullet from moving The sizing die won't help if the bullets are too loose however the sizing die is great for taking over sized bullets down. I am still learning all this. Be careful knurling with files, exam bullets carefully for any residual metal.
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Post by ourway77 on Apr 22, 2016 8:59:33 GMT -5
Thanks rambler never gave that a thought so far I haven't seen any particles on the file but then again I guess some residual metal could be loose enough to come off when seating the bullet. I guess rolling them on a flat surface after knurling them may help with such? Lou
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Post by rambler on Apr 22, 2016 9:10:12 GMT -5
Thanks rambler never gave that a thought so far I haven't seen any particles on the file but then again I guess some residual metal could be loose enough to come off when seating the bullet. I guess rolling them on a flat surface after knurling them may help with such? Lou dannoboone was the first to bring this to my attention
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Post by ported45 on Apr 25, 2016 10:44:46 GMT -5
I have found if your bullets are loose there is only one way to make them fit tighter is to knurl the bullet between 2 files when I first started with my smooth sizing die I reduced them too much rather than discarding them I knurled them and they fit with enough resistence to keep the bullet from moving The sizing die won't help if the bullets are too loose however the sizing die is great for taking over sized bullets down. I am still learning all this. I only knurl 0.40 cal bullets going into sabots. I have only been sizing 3-5 bullets at a time till I can figure out where my sweet spot is for my comfort level of ease of loading vs. tight enough to stay in place once loaded and hunted with.
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Post by dannoboone on Apr 25, 2016 10:54:30 GMT -5
Thanks rambler never gave that a thought so far I haven't seen any particles on the file but then again I guess some residual metal could be loose enough to come off when seating the bullet. I guess rolling them on a flat surface after knurling them may help with such? Lou dannoboone was the first to bring this to my attention One ruined Brux barrel is a darned hard way to learn a lesson!! I made my own knurling tool with knurling wheels made for the job, and will never use files again.
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