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Post by muzzleloadersppacker on Jan 20, 2016 17:33:22 GMT -5
Hi all. new to the forum. I'm posting this for info and discussion about a new product for muzzleloaders. As you can see we're running a contest to help get the word out and we invite all members to participate. The support and interest all over the web has been great. To show our appreciation and continue to spread the word, we’re announcing Muzzleloader’s Precision Packer’s™ 1st monthly giveaway of a FREE Packer unit! On Feb. 1st we’ll choose a winner from all page “Likes” at Muzzleloader's Precision Packer™ Just make sure you currently Like our page to be entered, and tell your shooting friends how to enter too.
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Post by eml9 on Jan 20, 2016 17:56:18 GMT -5
I must be missing something on this one ..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 18:10:44 GMT -5
Looks like a good concept, it would have to be tested at what the seating pressure is set at. I don't expect the company to divulge their settings but it looked light for what a lot of sabotless guys use.
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Post by muzzleloadersppacker on Jan 20, 2016 18:16:04 GMT -5
Two versions. One for loose powder (high compression). One for pellet shooters. I believe the loose powder version would meet the needs of any sabotless shooter. How much compression are you thinking necessary?
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Post by kash913 on Jan 20, 2016 18:20:56 GMT -5
Ken Johnson of ultimate muzzleloaders had one basically the same concept 10 years ago. A spring-loaded gadget I think his broke loose at like 25 pounds
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Post by bestill on Jan 20, 2016 18:25:15 GMT -5
Kens was for pellets this is much heavier for loose powder i received one to test and will load any of my sabotless loads id guess70 lbs to bottom spring
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 18:42:46 GMT -5
The video I saw must have been the pellet model then, looked like a lot less pressure. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by muzzleloadersppacker on Jan 20, 2016 18:57:20 GMT -5
Bstill is close to right on his guess. Its actually a little higher and the video shows the loose powder version
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Post by Earnhardt on Jan 20, 2016 19:00:04 GMT -5
Kens was for pellets this is much heavier for loose powder i received one to test and will load any of my sabotless loads id guess70 lbs to bottom spring 70 lbs of pressure?... With consistent pressure every time?...
OK, now you've got my attention!
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Post by muzzleloadersppacker on Jan 20, 2016 19:01:13 GMT -5
I thought i might!
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Post by fishhawk on Jan 21, 2016 12:41:49 GMT -5
I just push till my bad shoulder dislocates, same pressure every time!
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Post by jims on Jan 21, 2016 12:46:53 GMT -5
Fishhawk: That sounds like a plan but a painful one.
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Post by muzzleloadersppacker on Jan 22, 2016 8:49:56 GMT -5
I just push till my bad shoulder dislocates, same pressure every time! As i often say, im all for whatever works for each person but for your consideration i'll opine...The internets a funny place. Sometimes i cant tell what audience is participating. I realize there are traditional/primitive shooters who may not see as much benefit from this product(although i might disagree and suggest that it would help them even more) On the other hand, when i think the conversation is among modern muzzleloading enthusiasts it blows me away that theres still chat about being able to "see" pressure and "calibrated" shoulders" We've come so much farther than that in every other way in this sport. From ignition systems to powders to bullets and sabots. We strive to take out all the variables and inconsistencies. Not sure why we'd be willing to guess in the final step of loading?
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Post by rambler on Jan 22, 2016 8:58:36 GMT -5
I just push till my bad shoulder dislocates, same pressure every time! As i often say, im all for whatever works for each person but for your consideration i'll opine...The internets a funny place. Sometimes i cant tell what audience is participating. I realize there are traditional/primitive shooters who may not see as much benefit from this product(although i might disagree and suggest that it would help them even more) On the other hand, when i think the conversation is among modern muzzleloading enthusiasts it blows me away that theres still chat about being able to "see" pressure and "calibrated" shoulders" We've come so much farther than that in every other way in this sport. From ignition systems to powders to bullets and sabots. We strive to take out all the variables and inconsistencies. Not sure why we'd be willing to guess in the final step of loading? I think there are those that wonder just how important it really is to get the seating pressure absolutely the same. The funny thing about the internet is sifting thru all the information, true, false and in between we find out there to stumble upon some semblance of fact. Steve
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Post by muzzleloadersppacker on Jan 22, 2016 9:20:37 GMT -5
I think there are those that wonder just how important it really is to get the seating pressure absolutely the same. The funny thing about the internet is sifting thru all the information, true, false and in between we find out there to stumble upon some semblance of fact. Steve Here's a couple of great articles that speak to all the things we're talking about including the compression question. North American Muzzleloader Hunting
North American Muzzleloader Hunting
...and we continue to sift for semblance of fact (well said Steve)
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Post by rangeball on Jan 22, 2016 9:35:08 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Fishhawk was joking
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Post by rambler on Jan 22, 2016 9:36:34 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Fishhawk was joking You never know with that dude
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Post by rambler on Jan 22, 2016 9:41:42 GMT -5
I think there are those that wonder just how important it really is to get the seating pressure absolutely the same. The funny thing about the internet is sifting thru all the information, true, false and in between we find out there to stumble upon some semblance of fact. Steve Here's a couple of great articles that speak to all the things we're talking about including the compression question. North American Muzzleloader Hunting
North American Muzzleloader Hunting
...and we continue to sift for semblance of fact (well said Steve) Interesting reads. However both articles deal with Blackhorn 209 and other black powder substitutes.. I don't know if that makes a difference with respect to each powder's seating pressure needs. Blackhorn and smokeless are two different animals. This product you have plugged sound's pretty cool tho.
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Post by muzzleloadersppacker on Jan 22, 2016 10:11:07 GMT -5
Steve, Actually BH209 and Smokeless as they relate to preferred compression are similar understanding that one NEEDS higher for reliable ignition and the other shows the same great results at that higher level (We are Savage shooters too. Smokeless powder factored heavily in our prototyping and testing) This led us to the Loose Powder version being set high enough to provide best accuracy and reliability with all loose powders. Of course we then had to make a "light" version that could be used for pellets without crushing.
...I suppose you are accurate in your statement, I have plugged it. Passionate about it and pleased to get the word out and discuss with good people like yourself. I need to stick to my original statement of "to each his own" With that in mind, I've introduced it and I'm here to answer anything any member may ask of me.
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Post by rambler on Jan 22, 2016 10:15:39 GMT -5
Interesting reads. However both articles deal with Blackhorn 209 and other black powder substitutes.. I don't know if that makes a difference with respect to each powder's seating pressure needs. Blackhorn and smokeless are two different animals. This product you have plugged sound's pretty cool tho. Read more: dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/thread/18506/new-tool#ixzz3xz8tPxSXSteve, Actually BH209 and Smokeless as they relate to preferred compression are similar understanding that one NEEDS higher for reliable ignition and the other shows the same great results at that higher level (We are Savage shooters too. Smokeless powder factored heavily in our prototyping and testing) This led us to the Loose Powder version being set high enough to provide best accuracy and reliability with all loose powders. Of course we then had to make a "light" version that could be used for pellets without crushing. ...I suppose you are accurate in your statement, I have plugged it. Passionate about it and pleased to get the word out and discuss with good people like yourself. I need to stick to my original statement of "to each his own" With that in mind, I've introduced it and I'm here to answer anything any member may ask of me. I have another comment or suggestion, a unit like yours would be nice if it had a visible indicator for the amount of pressure being put on the bullet, like a fish scale only in reverse. Guys could tweak their own pressures to a desired setting. Just thinking out load Steve
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Post by muzzleloadersppacker on Jan 24, 2016 15:50:49 GMT -5
For those of you who don't do Facebook, we apologize that we have no way to get you in on the Giveaway. We admit we weren't much for FB either before our product launch, but were convinced that everybody else pretty much was and so...this time around we chose the "like page" system to register entries. Perhaps in the future we'll do a contest with a different entry method. In the meantime, 1 week to go for the Feb. 1st Giveaway! if you are entering, make sure to like the page, not just a post or a picture on the page. Only full page likes count.If you are one of those who are not Facebook members and haven't been able to check out the Muzzleloader's Precision Packer™ video or online store, here's a couple links that might work for you; Muzzleloader's Precision Packer™ Online Store
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Post by muzzleloadersppacker on Mar 1, 2016 21:03:21 GMT -5
Announcing our next FREE GIVEAWAY! April 1st. Like our Facebook page to be entered to win!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 22:00:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads up!
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