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Post by rangeball on Jan 15, 2016 17:17:31 GMT -5
I have an S&W MP15 OR 5.56 Carbine. Currently it has a Primary Arms M4 clone on it. 4 different reticle choices, illuminated, fixed 1 power. Great for general banging away or when the zombies attack, but I've been considering something that will allow me a bit more precision at range.
I keep vacilating between adding a 5-7x flip to side magnifier, or a 1-6 variable that has a center dot reticle that allows quick acquisition for closer moving targets but can be dialed up when needed to ranges up to 300 yds. Then another part of me says get something in 3x12 or 4x16 or so and swap optics for when I want long range precision.
What do you prefer? What do you see as the best compromise between up close and personal and far away but small?
I had all but settled on a weaver Kaspa 1-6 with their illuminated CRT reticle, but looks like they discontinued it. Of course.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Jan 15, 2016 20:11:17 GMT -5
I think the 1-6x and 1-8x for AR type guns the answer. A true 1x is easy to work with and a top end of 6-8x is plenty for shooting to 800m. The first DMM match I ever shot I used a .223 with a 1-4x Vortex PST. The 4x was enough to see and shoot most everything to 500yds but was not enough for small targets past that. A 6-8x would have been perfect and may have let me shoot a few more targets and bump up from 15th place. I personally think the Bushnell 1-6x dual focal plane is the best offering out there right now.
I do not like the flip magnifiers. I had a guy at work who thought they were they greatest thing since sliced bread but to me they have a myriad of issues. They are not the equivalent of a good low range variable.
If you end up wanting more my next two favorites are the Nightforce NXS 2.5-10x32mm and the Bushnell LRHS 3-12x44mm. Both are about the right size for a DMR or Recce style gun. They make your gun heavier but give you adequate mag for long shots and just enough low end for shooting fast on closer shots.
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Post by rangeball on Jan 15, 2016 20:33:22 GMT -5
I agree 6-8x is plenty for long range kills in human size targets using a center mass hold. I shot 40/40 in basic qualifying way back when with open sights on my M14. Hitting prairie dogs in head at 500 m may be tough though. But I'm not gonna stumble upon that opportunity and can gear up as needed.
I'll check out your recommendations. Thanks. Don't have a large budget but with 5.56 recoil I should be able to make something work.
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Post by rangeball on Jan 15, 2016 20:59:09 GMT -5
Wow. Nice. And all way out of my $300 max budget. I'd love to get one but there's just no way.
I need something that holds zero, reliably adjusts and is reasonably clear. I have no doubt those are top of the line superior choices but I need to get something reliable with my means at this point in time.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Jan 15, 2016 21:00:54 GMT -5
On a budget look at the Vortex Strike Eagle and SWFA optics.
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Post by rangeball on Jan 15, 2016 23:18:51 GMT -5
Will do, thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 23:36:22 GMT -5
Did you just call my swfa budget?  In all reality the low end swfa are tough as they come but don't expect the clarity to match their better lines. Dollar for dollar they are a great deal though and a lot of guys don't care about or notice super clear optics. |
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Post by 7mmfreak on Jan 16, 2016 8:24:58 GMT -5
SWFA aren't Alpha glass but as I've said before I think they make legit optics. They fall in the price of budget optics (some of them anyhow) but you get more than what you pay for. I would buy from them before Vortex any day in the same price range. Vortex makes decent optics in the Razor line but it's a good thing they have an awesome warranty.
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Post by rangeball on Jan 18, 2016 20:39:33 GMT -5
Keith, what are your thoughts on the Bushnell BTR-1 reticle? The dual focus is out of my league but its offered on their AR optics line, as a FFP. It's priced in my wheelhouse but I'm concerned as a FFP it may be too small to use effectively as a RD for close quarters up to 100yds.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Jan 19, 2016 8:01:46 GMT -5
For a reticle like that I think you want dual focal or second focal. FFP would make that reticle nearly disappear and the illuminated portion may not be day light visible. I'd see if I could put my hands on one at one of the big retailers before I pulled the trigger.
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Post by pposey on Jan 19, 2016 8:51:55 GMT -5
I have 1.5-6 old style Burris sigs, on several different rifles, best all around scope out there for me, followed by the 2-8 old style burris sig.
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Post by rangeball on Jan 19, 2016 9:57:47 GMT -5
For a reticle like that I think you want dual focal or second focal. FFP would make that reticle nearly disappear and the illuminated portion may not be day light visible. I'd see if I could put my hands on one at one of the big retailers before I pulled the trigger. Exactly my concerns. Thanks for confirming. |
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