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Post by longbowshtr on Nov 28, 2015 19:05:57 GMT -5
Looking to build my best friend a light weight sml .40. He is not real hip on using a sizing die. With a .400-.408 bore. What bullets would be pack to bore? I thought I read some ones post about knurling up Barnes and SST's to fit there bore. We are even talking about a .45 for use with sabots and sabotless. There again he is not real hip about a sizing die for saborless.
Benny
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Post by lakeplainshunter on Nov 28, 2015 19:15:56 GMT -5
I have to knurl the bullets for my .400/.408 McGowen and they still load with very little effort. From your description, I would get him a .450/.458 Pacnor and shoot sabots.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 19:19:45 GMT -5
If I still remember correctly the pacnor ss 408 1:16 are tight and need a die, CM was pretty good for some bullets and loose on others so needed knurling. Pacnor 408 1:13 are loose loose and required considerable knurling. Mcgowen seems to have the edge on the 408's because they fall in the easiest to knurl for category.
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Post by subcalshooter on Nov 28, 2015 19:36:42 GMT -5
The 400/408 McGowen builds out there are proven shooters for sure. My 13 twist 400/408 Pacnor is REALLY loose like Cole Stated. If I were to build a new 400/408 right now, I'd definitely go McGowen.
Good luck
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Post by sw on Nov 28, 2015 19:41:37 GMT -5
The land to land size is 0.401" making it perfectly sized for knurled 195 Barnes, 200 SSTs and XTPs, 40 cal CEBs (heavily annealed). I have little experience with the latter. Copper bullets usually perform better when annealed. When I tried the CEBs, I didn't anneal them. Should have.
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Post by subcalshooter on Nov 28, 2015 20:00:27 GMT -5
The land to land size is 0.401" making it perfectly sized for knurled 195 Barnes, 200 SSTs and XTPs, 40 cal CEBs (heavily annealed). I have little experience with the latter. Copper bullets usually perform better when annealed. When I tried the CEBs, I didn't anneal them. Should have. My 13 twist Pacnor is closer to .402 than it is .401, I got a loose one... CEB's definitely need annealed well.. |
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Post by sw on Nov 28, 2015 20:01:54 GMT -5
I hadn't read the other responses when I composed mine. My 40 PacNor(16 twist) is absolutely the right size for the 40 cal bullets. It is the oldest one as far as I know. I did stroke it with about 100 strokes of JB(not a lot). When I place an unknurled 200SST or XTP, it won't fall to the bottom of the barrel. But it does need knurling to have adequate resistance .
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Post by longbowshtr on Nov 28, 2015 20:15:29 GMT -5
Thanks guys for your help.
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Post by smokepolehall on Nov 28, 2015 21:06:33 GMT -5
I have a NEF 45-70 converted uses sabots n .40 cal bullets. Have been workin on loads since this past spring. Once i hit on the right load combo it should be fairly accurate tick toter killer out to couple hundred yds. My funds were limited but i wanted a decent huntin sml. I don't shoot lots of targets jus lots of deer
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Post by sw on Nov 28, 2015 22:12:16 GMT -5
My H&R HandiRifle 45-70 converted is very accurate. It shoots sub-MOA with virtually every load and bullet combination. Much can be done to optimize the NEF & H&R rifles such as trigger jobs, a little work on the forearm support, etc. A converted 45-70 is an economical choice.
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