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Post by sw on Nov 27, 2015 9:42:51 GMT -5
I'm looking for a solid 300 yd load for deer. I have 1 40 cal PacNor,(16" twist), 2 45 std 22" twist PacNors , 1 45 PacNor oversized .4535" LtoL, 1 std ML-2 barrel. Also, prefer lower recoil and not redoing anything on my rifles.
Bullets and loads considered: 200SST - out of 45s and 40. Published BC 0.265. Terminal performance: often no blood trail. Usually DRT but not always. 195Bs - Too low a BC for much beyond 200 yds. . The wind is always high here during our 2 weekend "gun " season, 275BE out of 45s and 50. Too frangible for me. Prefer to not shoot the 275BE/MH if can use a higher BC bullet that is lighter.
The 240CEB seems like a perfect bullet to anneal, knurl, and shoot in the 40 cal. Published BC of 0.200??? Why so low? Have you, who are knowledgable about this bullet, found the BC to be so low on the 240CEB? I realize that BCs are different at different velocities. I plan to shoot this bullet in the 2400-2500 range. Is it a valid 300 yd contender?
Other considerations? I might just have to bite the bullet on a Swinglock smoothing sizing die. Prefer not to.
With the 195Bs , I have a solid 200 yd gun. I'd like that same gun(put the 40cal barrel on it) to be a 300 yd gun.
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Post by rangeball on Nov 27, 2015 11:41:29 GMT -5
Where did you get that BC? From CEB?
When I designed it the lilja program predicted .330 if I remember correctly.
I can't imagine real world being that low.
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Post by chaded on Nov 27, 2015 16:31:48 GMT -5
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Post by rangeball on Nov 27, 2015 17:38:58 GMT -5
Huh. Looking at that pic it looks like it has a longer bearing surface and shorter nose than the V1s they produced during testing. I know when I varied the design in the program to do that the BC took a dump.
Who knows. I'll gave to compare pics next week when I'm back at work.
Guy, is the bearing surface longer than .40 on the ones you bought?
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Post by subcalshooter on Nov 27, 2015 19:59:37 GMT -5
Huh. Looking at that pic it looks like it has a longer bearing surface and shorter nose than the V1s they produced during testing. I know when I varied the design in the program to do that the BC took a dump. Who knows. I'll gave to compare pics next week when I'm back at work. Guy, is the bearing surface longer than .40 on the ones you bought? Mine are packed away in my hunting backpack and not easily acessible right now, tomorrow after hunting I'll bring one home with me. Both my 40's are loaded with the CEB's, that's how much I like em. |
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Post by lakeplainshunter on Nov 27, 2015 20:32:01 GMT -5
Here is how you order the 240 gr CEBs:
They are not on their website. Call and ask for Angelo. He will know what you want. Its the 240gr .400 version 1 they have saved in their program.
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Post by sw on Nov 27, 2015 20:54:21 GMT -5
The 30% off sale ends this weekend. What do I order?
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Post by eml9 on Nov 27, 2015 20:57:01 GMT -5
Has anyone ever compared trajectory differences with this .40 ceb saboted to the .451 barnes 250 tez sabotless out of a .458 bore ?
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Post by sw on Nov 27, 2015 21:13:50 GMT -5
Has anyone ever compared trajectory differences with this .40 ceb saboted to the .451 barnes 250 tez sabotless out of a .458 bore ? I'm interested in this too. I'd rather use the 240 if practical. |
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Post by subcalshooter on Nov 27, 2015 21:24:09 GMT -5
I think when I ran my numbers last year on JBM I used either .33 or .35
The only verification I got was shooting it at 200 and it was where it should be, but have not got to test them any further.
I'm shooting them around 2800fps, so they carry pretty good.
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Post by sw on Nov 27, 2015 21:29:22 GMT -5
I think when I ran my numbers last year on JBM I used either .33 or .35 The only verification I got was shooting it at 200 and it was where it should be, but have not got to test them any further. I'm shooting them around 2800fps, so they carry pretty good. What is your load? |
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Post by subcalshooter on Nov 27, 2015 21:39:33 GMT -5
10/65 and or 11/66
N110/Varget, Wool wad, Fed 209a
(11/66 this year)
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Post by sw on Nov 27, 2015 22:04:43 GMT -5
10/65 and or 11/66 N110/Varget, Wool wad, Fed 209a (11/66 this year) Very similar to my 14/64 VV-110/Varget 195Bs load. Think your ratios would be better for the heavier bullets. |
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Post by rangeball on Nov 27, 2015 22:42:19 GMT -5
Here is how you order the 240 gr CEBs: They are not on their website. Call and ask for Angelo. He will know what you want. Its the 240gr .400 version 1 they have saved in their program. That answers that. Thanks, mystery solved. |
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Post by chaded on Nov 27, 2015 23:14:00 GMT -5
Then what is the 240 grain .400 muzzleloader bullets on their website? Are those different then?
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Post by rangeball on Nov 28, 2015 0:07:01 GMT -5
Then what is the 240 grain .400 muzzleloader bullets on their website? Are those different then? I think so. If guy checks one of his we'll know for sure. |
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Post by billyboy on Nov 28, 2015 6:17:54 GMT -5
Here is how you order the 240 gr CEBs: They are not on their website. Call and ask for Angelo. He will know what you want. Its the 240gr .400 version 1 they have saved in their program. What Bullets did I just order yesterday and should I call Angelo on Monday to cancel? I thought their BC was a typo. |
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Post by bestill on Nov 28, 2015 8:08:47 GMT -5
I would recommend ordering a sizing die. And shoot sabotless 45. 300 gr match hunter or 270 emax or 300 sst .
Or contact linebaugh about his cagefighter bullet
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Post by sw on Nov 28, 2015 9:19:40 GMT -5
Or contact linebaugh about his cagefighter bullet What is it? |
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Post by edge on Nov 28, 2015 10:08:15 GMT -5
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Post by subcalshooter on Nov 28, 2015 10:10:26 GMT -5
My polygonal pacnor shot around a 2" group at 300 yards with 200 SST's on a very windy day, it also shoots the 240 CEB very well, so I have no doubts this gun will be deadly at 300 yards and beyond with the load I'm shooting and no muzzle brake required. 45's will definitely get it done too, but with the 270-300 grain bullets, they beat ya up pretty good without a brake if your pushing them very hard. JMO
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Post by lakeplainshunter on Nov 28, 2015 12:13:20 GMT -5
Here is how you order the 240 gr CEBs: They are not on their website. Call and ask for Angelo. He will know what you want. Its the 240gr .400 version 1 they have saved in their program. What Bullets did I just order yesterday and should I call Angelo on Monday to cancel? I thought their BC was a typo. Please provide a link to the bullets that you just purchased. I did not see these bullets on their website when I just looked. |
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Post by chaded on Nov 28, 2015 12:35:37 GMT -5
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Post by billyboy on Nov 28, 2015 12:36:59 GMT -5
Lakeplainhunter are these the Version 1? MZL Raptor MZL_400_240 They list the BC as .209?  Should I cancel the order? |
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Post by lakeplainshunter on Nov 28, 2015 12:54:03 GMT -5
Lakeplainhunter are these the Version 1? MZL Raptor MZL_400_240 They list the BC as .209? Should I cancel the order? That looks to be the correct Bullet. |
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Post by subcalshooter on Nov 28, 2015 19:30:08 GMT -5
Huh. Looking at that pic it looks like it has a longer bearing surface and shorter nose than the V1s they produced during testing. I know when I varied the design in the program to do that the BC took a dump. Who knows. I'll gave to compare pics next week when I'm back at work. Guy, is the bearing surface longer than .40 on the ones you bought? Measuring a ff sized 240 ceb, without my reading glasses, the bearing surface appears to be around .550 |
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Post by ratsnakeboogy on Nov 29, 2015 9:15:47 GMT -5
Did anyone ever figure out if the listed bullet was the correct one, or does a person need to call Angelo to order?
Thanks,
Don
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Post by subcalshooter on Nov 29, 2015 9:19:31 GMT -5
Did anyone ever figure out if the listed bullet was the correct one, or does a person need to call Angelo to order? Thanks, Don I believe they only make the one, pretty sure the bc listed is not correct. I'd say it's a safe bet to order them, always has in the past. |
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Post by ratsnakeboogy on Nov 29, 2015 10:55:06 GMT -5
10-4. I'm going to order some!
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Post by rangeball on Nov 30, 2015 9:52:19 GMT -5
Huh. Looking at that pic it looks like it has a longer bearing surface and shorter nose than the V1s they produced during testing. I know when I varied the design in the program to do that the BC took a dump. Who knows. I'll gave to compare pics next week when I'm back at work. Guy, is the bearing surface longer than .40 on the ones you bought? Measuring a ff sized 240 ceb, without my reading glasses, the bearing surface appears to be around .550 That appears to be correct on the originals I have. |
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Should I cancel the order?