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Post by Deerhunter76 on Oct 17, 2015 13:58:13 GMT -5
So I was finally able to hit the range today with my Slufoot converted 45-70. The goal today was to put some rounds down range, get the scoped zeroed, and play around with loads. The purpose of this gun will be 150yds or less. I had both 200gr SST and 195gr Barnes. Unfortunately I didn't have any good sabots. My primer pocket is tight and even had issues with Winchester primers fitting. All that being said the gun shoots very well at 50yds. I only had an hour to shoot so I kept it short. I shot 52 54 & 56gr of H4198. I'm really liking this gun!
Next steps are to get an order in to Arrowhead, open up the primer pocket slightly, and start ranging out and see what kind of groups I can put together.
Thanks to everyone who helped me get into the .45 craze. A big shout out to Slufoot for the quick turn around on the conversion.
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Post by rangeball on Oct 17, 2015 19:48:10 GMT -5
What sabots did you have?
Get some harvester smooth blues, find a load those Barnes like, point shoot and kill every deer you want out to 200yds+ easy. Don't be afraid to knurl them a bit to tighten groups. Very easy to do and can really help.
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Post by Deerhunter76 on Oct 18, 2015 0:33:40 GMT -5
What sabots did you have? Get some harvester smooth blues, find a load those Barnes like, point shoot and kill every deer you want out to 200yds+ easy. Don't be afraid to knurl them a bit to tighten groups. Very easy to do and can really help. I had the tan ones that came in the box of Hornadys. I plan to get some of the harvesters. I need some other stuff from Luke too. I did knurled some up but I'm saving those for longer range testing. I appreciate the advice! |
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Post by driven2tri24 on Oct 23, 2015 7:54:52 GMT -5
As said the Harvester Smooth Blues are the ticket. I've yet to see the Tan(MMP)sabots ever out shoot them in any .45(including regular inlines) I've ever seen or shot.
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Post by Deerhunter76 on Oct 23, 2015 10:12:42 GMT -5
As said the Harvester Smooth Blues are the ticket. I've yet to see the Tan(MMP)sabots ever out shoot them in any .45(including regular inlines) I've ever seen or shot. I now have a good supply of Harvester sabots and some Barnes & SST bullets to shoot with them. I am going to play a little with powder. I have 5744 & 4198 so I am going to give Slufoot's load of 7/53 a try. I don't want any ignition problems on a cold January day in Iowa! |
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Post by driven2tri24 on Oct 23, 2015 10:30:17 GMT -5
The 7/53 Load with XTP 200 is best in my guns..
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Post by speedrackin on Oct 23, 2015 10:42:57 GMT -5
I have an H&R and an Encore both are dead nits accurate with HIS ignition , i never duplex i run imr or h 4198 all the time any weather condition
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Post by southarkrob on Oct 25, 2015 1:11:49 GMT -5
Slufoot has converted 9 or 10 H&R's and an Encore for me and my hunting buddies and every one of them is very accurate with either barnes or hornady bullets.. 56 to 58 grs of H4198 has been very accurate in all of them. A couple of them killed nice bucks this week in South Arkansas.
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Post by greenhornet1 on Oct 25, 2015 12:17:06 GMT -5
What is the part # on the blue sabots, H4540B or H14540BR? I'm getting ready to do some testing myself. Thanks!!!
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Post by lwh723 on Oct 25, 2015 12:23:40 GMT -5
What is the part # on the blue sabots, H4540B or H14540BR? I'm getting ready to do some testing myself. Thanks!!! ASG049 smokelessmz.com/bullets.html |
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Post by greenhornet1 on Oct 25, 2015 12:46:25 GMT -5
Thanks !!!
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Post by kennacl55 on Oct 26, 2015 6:55:24 GMT -5
What powders are you using in your 7-53 load ? I think it is important to list which powders are being used in any duplex loads.
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Post by sw on Oct 26, 2015 7:31:39 GMT -5
What powders are you using in your 7-53 load ? I think it is important to list which powders are being used in any duplex loads. 5744/H-4198 |
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Post by driven2tri24 on Oct 29, 2015 15:32:30 GMT -5
What powders are you using in your 7-53 load ? I think it is important to list which powders are being used in any duplex loads. 5744/H-4198 Exactly! FWIW- 53g of H4198 alone gets 2265fps and is dead zero at 100yds when sighted in at 175 with the 7/53 duplex load mentioned. The slower load is perfect for in close shots and the duplex load is perfect when the probability of a longer shot is high. I plan on leaving out the 7gr of 5744 if i am in short range expectations as i'm a bit nervous about a 2600fps xtp200 inside of 50 yds:) I also plan on using duplex load in sub zero temps for ignition insurance with H 4198. |
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Post by speedrackin on Oct 29, 2015 19:15:33 GMT -5
I shoot 54 to 56 grns of 4198 in all weather ..... right down to -4 degrees with absolutely no ignition issues .
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Post by Deerhunter76 on Oct 29, 2015 20:56:01 GMT -5
I haven't had any issues with 4198 either. BUT....when the moment counts I do not want anything left to chance. In Iowa during late season below 0 Temps can be common.
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Post by rangeball on Oct 29, 2015 21:18:53 GMT -5
4198 got its ignition reliability rep in the .50 with lighter weight bullets (ie below 300 gr) which is still relatively light for that caliber. Poor ignition with a good tight fit in a .45 with a good primer seal is rarely reported.
However even though you may get reliable ignition with it in a .45 as a single, you may still get temp instability in the form of fps loss in cold temps depending on bullet weight. Staying above 600 psi per gr reduces this potential. Depending on the range of the shot this may or may not be an issue, but it's wise to plan for it if you think a longer shot may present itself. A good duplex can eliminate both these potential variables.
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Post by ported45 on Nov 2, 2015 8:03:41 GMT -5
Exactly! FWIW- 53g of H4198 alone gets 2265fps and is dead zero at 100yds when sighted in at 175 with the 7/53 duplex load mentioned. The slower load is perfect for in close shots and the duplex load is perfect when the probability of a longer shot is high. I plan on leaving out the 7gr of 5744 if i am in short range expectations as i'm a bit nervous about a 2600fps xtp200 inside of 50 yds:) I also plan on using duplex load in sub zero temps for ignition insurance with H 4198. Using the 195 Barnes this year. Shot two last year with the 200XTP. Looked like each had a grenade inside. The first was a direct broadside heart shot; the wife found a flat piece of lead the size of a pencil eraser in her grilled tenderloin (not backstrap). Got rid of my XTP's. I'm shooting the SST's and verify and hunt with the Barnes out of my Encore conversion. |
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Post by driven2tri24 on Nov 5, 2015 10:00:23 GMT -5
Exactly! FWIW- 53g of H4198 alone gets 2265fps and is dead zero at 100yds when sighted in at 175 with the 7/53 duplex load mentioned. The slower load is perfect for in close shots and the duplex load is perfect when the probability of a longer shot is high. I plan on leaving out the 7gr of 5744 if i am in short range expectations as i'm a bit nervous about a 2600fps xtp200 inside of 50 yds:) I also plan on using duplex load in sub zero temps for ignition insurance with H 4198. Using the 195 Barnes this year. Shot two last year with the 200XTP. Looked like each had a grenade inside. The first was a direct broadside heart shot; the wife found a flat piece of lead the size of a pencil lead in her grilled tenderloin (not backstrap). Got rid of my XTP's. I'm shooting the SST's and verify and hunt with the Barnes out of my Encore conversion. BUT....it did the job just as well. I don't get why everyone has this resilient belief that a bullet "should" stay together and exit it's target for it to be working correctly. IMO a bullet that leaves the deer has just wasted potential energy/trauma/damage it could have left upon the animal. I understand wanting some emphasis on bullet integrity on Elk and animals where you need some penetration to reach vitals...I don't understand why everyone worries so much about it on deer where the vitals from any angle are less than 6" of penetration. Besides what bullet do you want to have loaded when the deer is running and you don't lead it enough resulting in a paunch shot? I'll quick the quick expanding XTP's everyday. Many, many of us have taken a LOT of deer with 250XTP at high speeds with no exit holes, and like magic, they drop right there and wait for it...EVEN when hit in the shoulder blade or the gut:) |
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Post by GMB54-120 on Nov 5, 2015 13:10:12 GMT -5
I use tougher bullets (usually)for one reason. Penetration is more reliable from more shot angles than just a text book broadside shot. Bullets with rapid expansion make a huge mess if you need to take a high shoulder/spine shot.
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Post by ported45 on Nov 6, 2015 13:36:20 GMT -5
I use tougher bullets (usually)for one reason. Penetration is more reliable from more shot angles than just a text book broadside shot. Bullets with rapid expansion make a huge mess if you need to take a high shoulder/spine shot. EXACTLY! And I don't loose more meat than necessary to the mess that the grenades make. |
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Post by Deerhunter76 on Nov 7, 2015 14:32:16 GMT -5
Back to the range today for more testing. Same duplex of 7grAA5744/53grH4198. Light blue harvester with both 200GR SST and 195gr Barnes. This time testing was done at 100yds. I knurled up some and left others smooth. There was a very minor advantage to the knurled bullets of each. Accuracy was sub MOA off the lead sled. At 7 pounds the gun jumps and barks! Gets the attention of everyone around and I grin ear to ear as it prints group after group! Next session will be out to 200yds and see how things go. If it continues to shoot, 300yd will be the next trip.
Thanks again to everyone who's helped me get here with this gun.
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Post by kennacl55 on Nov 8, 2015 21:35:51 GMT -5
Sounds like your off to a great start, should have no problem with accurracy at 200-300yds. Good luck
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Post by lukecollins on Nov 9, 2015 19:34:40 GMT -5
Back to the range today for more testing. Same duplex of 7grAA5744/53grH4198. Light blue harvester with both 200GR SST and 195gr Barnes. This time testing was done at 100yds. I knurled up some and left others smooth. There was a very minor advantage to the knurled bullets of each. Accuracy was sub MOA off the lead sled. At 7 pounds the gun jumps and barks! Gets the attention of everyone around and I grin ear to ear as it prints group after group! Next session will be out to 200yds and see how things go. If it continues to shoot, 300yd will be the next trip. Thanks again to everyone who's helped me get here with this gun. |
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Post by lukecollins on Nov 9, 2015 19:46:18 GMT -5
Using AA 5744 and 200 grain bullets in a H&R conversion what's the max and what's the most accurate load. Thanks
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Post by lukecollins on Nov 9, 2015 19:51:23 GMT -5
What is the best powder and a light accurate load with 195 to grain sabot bullets. 100 yard deer for a 13 year old. Thanks
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Post by lwh723 on Nov 10, 2015 0:15:42 GMT -5
5744 builds pressure really fast. I would try 30gr and see how it does. Depending on your barrel you might be able to walk it up a little more. Colder weather helps too.
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Post by lukecollins on Nov 10, 2015 15:12:38 GMT -5
5744 builds pressure really fast. I would try 30gr and see how it does. Depending on your barrel you might be able to walk it up a little more. Colder weather helps too. |
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Post by lukecollins on Nov 10, 2015 15:15:33 GMT -5
Thanks. What velocity can I expect with 30 grains of AA 57 44 and 200 grain bullet.
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Post by lukecollins on Nov 10, 2015 20:35:41 GMT -5
Would 42 grains of AA 5744 produce to much pressure. It has been recommended to me. Thanks
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