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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 10:08:57 GMT -5
I'm not really looking forward to a .45. I'm half scared to try to find a good factory .50 barrel. Just before I need to stock the freezer for the year. Hate a slug gun but it's probably what I've reduced myself to for this year for sure. Sorry, just poutin over my coffee this morning.
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Post by rangeball on Oct 2, 2015 10:17:05 GMT -5
What's going wrong with your current set up?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 10:19:28 GMT -5
What bothers you about a 45?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 10:33:48 GMT -5
I put a bulge in the barrel. (my own fault) The cost of setting up again and the .50 stuff I have laying here. I've been done experimenting a long time. I know everybody is happy with their .45s . I'm almost 60 and I'm not sure it's worth starting over. I knew how to get the .50 to shoot, What I had anyway.
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Post by rangeball on Oct 2, 2015 10:49:29 GMT -5
Check with Luke, Bill, Cole and others. They may have some .50 take offs laying around and are may even be able to check the specs to find one close to what yours measures.
Or stay with a .50 pacnor or similar. Douglas makes a great .50 barrel but they don't offer it as a plug and play for a savage so you'd need someone to install the breech plug, but you could switch to Luke's new plug and get a better seal.
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Post by lwh723 on Oct 2, 2015 11:00:15 GMT -5
This latest run of Pac-nors I have is good and tight. 200gr SST and 60gr H4198, and you're shooting MOA or better on first range trip. I know 60 is old, but I think you've got time for that.
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Post by rambler on Oct 2, 2015 11:18:43 GMT -5
This latest run of Pac-nors I have is good and tight. 200gr SST and 60gr H4198, and you're shooting MOA or better on first range trip. I know 60 is old, but I think you've got time for that. You won't think 60 is old when you get there Go for the .45 and have fun.
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Post by dannoboone on Oct 2, 2015 11:59:47 GMT -5
I put a bulge in the barrel. (my own fault) The cost of setting up again and the .50 stuff I have laying here. I've been done experimenting a long time. I know everybody is happy with their .45s . I'm almost 60 and I'm not sure it's worth starting over. I knew how to get the .50 to shoot, What I had anyway. Well, I've got close to five years on ya, and wouldn't hesitate to start over. Any .451-.458 bullets you have can be sized to fit in a .45 barrel. And most of the peripherals you already have would also work. That being said, it would be difficult to set up for this year's deer season. When does yours begin? I'm half tempted to offer you my factory SS barrel for the cost of shipping. Just know that it has a very rough barrel and looks like someone put a steel brush on a drill and ran it through the bore a few times. Sometimes it would shoot MOA and the next time out it would shoot 4MOA with the same load!!
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Post by Jon on Oct 2, 2015 12:03:56 GMT -5
I've got 10 yrs on you and am still trying go for it.
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Post by rangeball on Oct 2, 2015 12:32:57 GMT -5
This latest run of Pac-nors I have is good and tight. 200gr SST and 60gr H4198, and you're shooting MOA or better on first range trip. I know 60 is old, but I think you've got time for that. If it's legal in his state it really doesn't get any easier than this. My pacnor loves that exact load and will shoot them sub-moa, but I can't hunt with them. If I could, I certainly would be.
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Post by Jon on Oct 2, 2015 12:44:04 GMT -5
You are making me feel bad I don't consider 60 old. Just for a thought pm Marty and ask him if he considers 60old!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 12:44:32 GMT -5
It must be the 12 hr. swing on the furnace in the metshop of the steel mill getting the best of me. dannoboone I have the same seasons as you except usually not early muzzleloader because we process everything ourselves and lots of times it doesn't get cool enough to hang anything. I don't guess the Pacnors come tapped fo open sights. Also are the .45 shooting sabots legal for deer in Iowa with a .40cal. bullet. I will probably start that way to sllow down the learning curve. Luke I'll call you tomarrow if it's okay so you can start getting my bill together.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 12:47:26 GMT -5
I don't know which is worse , me makin you guys feel older than you are , or you making me feel younger than I am!
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Post by eml9 on Oct 2, 2015 12:50:22 GMT -5
I was completely new to smokeless until I found this board less than a year ago.. I have a .45 McGowan barrel and after a few range trips I was bug holing at 100 yards.. wasn't too difficult to figure out with all the knowledge and helpful people that's on this board.I have several bullets that I will give you to try out if you decide to go the .45 route . Just pm me . As stated, I imagine time is your worst enemy right now with the season right around the corner . . .
Eric
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Post by rangeball on Oct 2, 2015 12:56:45 GMT -5
It must be the 12 hr. swing on the furnace in the metshop of the steel mill getting the best of me. dannoboone I have the same seasons as you except usually not early muzzleloader because we process everything ourselves and lots of times it doesn't get cool enough to hang anything. I don't guess the Pacnors come tapped fo open sights. Also are the .45 shooting sabots legal for deer in Iowa with a .40cal. bullet. I will probably start that way to sllow down the learning curve. Luke I'll call you tomarrow if it's okay so you can start getting my bill together. Pretty sure saboted .40s in a .45 are legal in IA. I doubt the pacnor is drilled and tapped for open sights but a red dot would be a nice alternative.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 12:57:11 GMT -5
Eric , I appreciate the offer ,it means alot. Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 13:05:00 GMT -5
It wouldn't suprise me if my last shot with my .50 didn't wreck my scope but it will be hard to know until I'm shooting again.
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Post by Jon on Oct 2, 2015 13:12:15 GMT -5
I have 5 0f the original ml1's an early ml2 a couple of 45's and a few Remington's And shelves of bullets Let me know if there is anything I can help you with?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 13:16:31 GMT -5
Thanks Jon I don't know what to say.
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Post by lwh723 on Oct 2, 2015 13:22:02 GMT -5
It must be the 12 hr. swing on the furnace in the metshop of the steel mill getting the best of me. dannoboone I have the same seasons as you except usually not early muzzleloader because we process everything ourselves and lots of times it doesn't get cool enough to hang anything. I don't guess the Pacnors come tapped fo open sights. Also are the .45 shooting sabots legal for deer in Iowa with a .40cal. bullet. I will probably start that way to sllow down the learning curve. Luke I'll call you tomarrow if it's okay so you can start getting my bill together. Sounds good. yes, 40cal bullets in a 45cal gun are legal. They just restrict the bore. .44cal minimum bore.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 13:27:22 GMT -5
Thanks Luke call you tomarrow.
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Post by mrbuck on Oct 2, 2015 15:29:24 GMT -5
Last year I was 66 and threw in the towel on a Savage with a " problem child " barrel . I called Luke and he installed a Pacnor .45 caliber barrel and I haven't looked back ! Both Barnes 195gr.H.P.s and Hornady SSTs in Harvester blue sabots with anywhere from 56.0grs.to 60.0grs. of H4198 produce 3/4" groups at 100 yards . With just a 10 power scope most 3 shot groups are close to " one holers ". This Fall at 67 the groups seem tobe even a bit tighter ! Chris
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Post by rebelrick on Oct 2, 2015 17:38:07 GMT -5
There is some good guys on this board . Im 58 .... Go for it..
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Post by rangeball on Oct 2, 2015 20:17:36 GMT -5
Last year I was 66 and threw in the towel on a Savage with a " problem child " barrel . I called Luke and he installed a Pacnor .45 caliber barrel and I haven't looked back ! Both Barnes 195gr.H.P.s and Hornady SSTs in Harvester blue sabots with anywhere from 56.0grs.to 60.0grs. of H4198 produce 3/4" groups at 100 yards . With just a 10 power scope most 3 shot groups are close to " one holers ". This Fall at 67 the groups seem tobe even a bit tighter ! Chris You must have got new glasses Good shooting.
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Post by jims on Oct 2, 2015 20:52:12 GMT -5
12 hours in a steel mill can take something out of you. Cool weather in a deer stand will help. Jon's offer of factory takeoffs could easily fix you up, Luke has some other choices. This is a good site and fellow shooters.
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Post by bluedog on Oct 3, 2015 7:13:13 GMT -5
60 is NOT old! Geez
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Post by 10ga on Oct 6, 2015 9:39:30 GMT -5
Switching barrels on a savage is easy. You can do it yourself. If you have a problem there are a lot of guys that can walk you through it on the cell phone as you do it. It doesn't take long at all. I have changed barrels on MLII and CF Savages. Probably get a SS take off in great condition for a C note or less. Go for it. Oh yeah, I'm 65 and always on the lookout for SML project guns. Have a 700ML stripped down now working on getting a barrel and pieces parts. Always fun to be had. 10
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Post by pposey on Oct 8, 2015 22:00:45 GMT -5
If you want a .45 go for it! Easy to get shooting well and loads of help and info here Your not the first to buldge a barrel,, I killed a nice pacnor .45 with a double load, my scope survived though,,,,
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Post by epanzella on Oct 9, 2015 8:46:22 GMT -5
This latest run of Pac-nors I have is good and tight. 200gr SST and 60gr H4198, and you're shooting MOA or better on first range trip. I know 60 is old, but I think you've got time for that. You won't think 60 is old when you get there Go for the .45 and have fun. HA! I just built a 45 and I can hardly remember when I was 60.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 11:04:27 GMT -5
Believe me, after shooting 68 gr. IMR 4198 with a 250 .458 monoflex loaded under a solid aluminum ram rod with a spinjag , 60 felt pretty old for a day or so. I shot it more than any gun I ever owned by far. In the 8 yrs. I've owned it I never thought for a second it couldn't happen especially after seeing some of the best shooters on this site wreck barrels over the years. I always thought if he can slip up then I really need to to be double careful. Looking back I would like to give some feeble advice. If you have a loading and shooting regimen that works that you have used long enough to be habit.Don't change the smallest thing without great thought. And if you are starting a shooting session and catch yourself making small mistakes or start picking things up out of order setting them back down , please put the gun back in the case go home play with the kids or spend some time with your wife , come to shoot later. Just talking from experience. Also I think the .45 is a good thing but there is a difference in doing it cause your ready or because you screwed up and forced myself to.
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