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Post by ported45 on Sept 28, 2015 10:35:12 GMT -5
Can a .458 be run through a Swinglock die to get it down to a land rider just under .450? Maybe incrementally if not one and done?
Was wondering if the 325 FTX would make a good hunting bullet if it could be run through the Swinglock without damaging the die or if it would be too much swaging for the bullet.
Thanks.
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Post by lwh723 on Sept 28, 2015 10:51:15 GMT -5
I think Richard broke his first swing-lock die trying to do .458's all at once. If it was me, I would buy a fixed size Lee die and get that big first step out of the way with that.
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Post by rangeball on Sept 28, 2015 10:54:22 GMT -5
Or buy land .451-2s to start with.
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Post by ported45 on Sept 28, 2015 10:56:17 GMT -5
I think Richard broke his first swing-lock die trying to do .458's all at once. If it was me, I would buy a fixed size Lee die and get that big first step out of the way with that. I was afraid that all at once would be too much to ask for. Was thinking about sizing down in three or four steps, like when I necked my wildcat brass from .25 to .35 before I had my elliptical expander. Necked up in four steps on my old Rockchucker. Much easier and lessened the split neck rejects to only a few. |
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Post by ported45 on Sept 28, 2015 11:01:48 GMT -5
Or buy land .451-2s to start with. I already tried running bullets above their velocity threshold recommendations with the .40 XTP in the sabot and didn't like it. Not many cup and core .452 bullets will take 2500 to 2700 fps. The middle to heavier .458's should hold together better. Just looking for an alternative to the Barnes bullets that would take a 30 yard impact and not go to itty bitty pieces. |
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Post by rangeball on Sept 28, 2015 12:49:57 GMT -5
What about the 275 or 300 gr match hunters? Thicker .28 jacket, excellent BC. I believe they come at .4515 out of the box. Many guys are smooth forming these down with an adjustable die with great success. Talk to DaveW for some load input if you need it.
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Post by ported45 on Sept 28, 2015 13:06:02 GMT -5
What about the 275 or 300 gr match hunters? Thicker .28 jacket, excellent BC. I believe they come at .4515 out of the box. Many guys are smooth forming these down with an adjustable die with great success. Talk to DaveW for some load input if you need it. Should have qualified my reply a little more. Looking for a less expensive alternative to the Barnes that will perform well. Sorry.  |
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Post by schunter on Sept 28, 2015 13:35:13 GMT -5
Look at the hornady 250 FTX in .452 or the 250 monflex in .458
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Post by rangeball on Sept 28, 2015 14:10:50 GMT -5
What about the 275 or 300 gr match hunters? Thicker .28 jacket, excellent BC. I believe they come at .4515 out of the box. Many guys are smooth forming these down with an adjustable die with great success. Talk to DaveW for some load input if you need it. Should have qualified my reply a little more. Looking for a less expensive alternative to the Barnes that will perform well. Sorry. No problem. Bonded shockwaves? Although I haven't priced them for so long I have no idea how much if any cheaper they'd be than the barnes. |
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Post by Dave W on Sept 28, 2015 14:14:43 GMT -5
I am not sure there is even enough adjustment range on a Swinglock die for .458's, Swinglock could answer that though.
C-H dies site says to keep the downsizing to .004 maximum for best results. Smokeeter has probably done more bullet modding than anyone, post wise anyways. Search his threads if he doesn't reply for tips.
I would opt for the 300 SST for an economy bullet, they shoot great and BC is a little better. Omega45 tried to size the GMX's, even annealed he could not get them through a smooth die.
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Post by ported45 on Sept 28, 2015 14:22:54 GMT -5
Have not heard anyone really talk much about the bonded Shockwaves for quite a while, figured that those had been discontinued.
All along I had intended to shoot the 300 SST, get final zero with a 290 Barnes and hunt with the Barnes. Shoot the 300 SST for practice and such. May just go back that direction.
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Post by rangeball on Sept 28, 2015 14:30:37 GMT -5
Quick search shows Bass Pro still has them, but they're just as much as the barnes. Not sure if Luke stocks them or not.
In my opinion you can't beat a barnes for hunting. Your last plan sounds best to me.
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Post by cuda on Sept 28, 2015 15:05:22 GMT -5
I like the 290gr TEZ Barnes they are .451 and I shoot them out of my 45 McGowen Stevens. They are just enough to get them to spin on the rifling. I used a lubed wad and 69gr of IMR4198 they will do a 2" group at 200yds. I buy the pack with the sabot on and just use the bullets.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Sept 28, 2015 16:05:46 GMT -5
You can step down a bullet by about .010" without causing structural damage. That is how I make my bullets at .451" for my pistol bore gun. I swage them at .458", then step down to .454", then .452", then FF them. I'm actually about to post a follow up to this.
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Post by Richard on Sept 28, 2015 18:53:34 GMT -5
BTW Luke, it was not me who broke a Swinglock die? Not sure who it might have been?
Your best advice is to go with the 290 Barnes TEZ's..........they work great as land riders. I have knurled them up and then full formed them with no better results. Those 300 SST/FTX's as Dave said also work great.
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Post by ported45 on Sept 29, 2015 6:31:11 GMT -5
Thanks for all the advice guys! I have some 250 and 300 SST on hand. I will start there to see what bullet weight my rifle seems to prefer and then use the appropriate weight of Barnes to hunt with.
I did check my Hornady manual last night for velocity thresholds of their .452 and .458 RIFLE bullets and there is not much difference, so the point seems moot anyway.
Where I have permission to hunt right now would allow me shots from point blank out to about 100 yards or so, so I was looking for a bullet that would hold together well for the likelihood of a close impact. Looks like Barnes gets the nod.
Matter of fact, my T/C Omega could do it all just fine but I like to be different (been doing the smokers for 27 years). I know of only one other guy in my area that is doing smokeless and he just had his first one built for this coming season. But I'm still a greenhorn as my Slufoot conversion Encore last year was my first dabbling in smokeless muzzleloading.
Thanks again for the input and all the data and info on this forum!
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