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Post by rockwind1 on Aug 31, 2015 22:01:04 GMT -5
hi. my 14 y/o daughter will be doing mule deer muzzleloader hunt in about a week and a half. i just got this remington. will be using blackhorn 209 and probably the remington accutips because my order for parker 300 ballistic extreme may not get here in time.
any advice on a load? i was going to start at 100 gr volume. she is about 115 lbs and has shot my 308 (remington 700 pss, heavy gun) also shot the 270 with managed recoil rounds. i was hoping a 100 gr load would not be too rough on her. would appreciate any input, she has not shot a muzzleloader before, we will be practicing several/many times before the hunt.
thank you in advance
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 7:30:18 GMT -5
You might want to move this thread over to the "Modern In-line" forum.
That's where the black powder threads are at...
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Post by billyboy on Sept 1, 2015 8:25:32 GMT -5
You might want to start her with 80 Grains by volume BH 209 with a 250 Grain bullet and get a PAST recoil shield.
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Post by BuckDoeHunter on Sept 1, 2015 13:06:35 GMT -5
I would work it backwards. Decide her max range for a shot. Look at ballistic charts for how much knock down power u want. Then decide what load meets your needs. 100gr by volume with a 300gr bullet has some recoil.
My son used 80gr by volume with a 250gr bullet for a number of years on big Iowa whitetail and never had a problem with a clean kill but he did have a range limit.
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Post by edge on Sept 1, 2015 13:08:20 GMT -5
Good info, do you mind sharing the range limit with that load, I think it would be helpful?
edge.
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Post by rockwind1 on Sept 1, 2015 14:34:54 GMT -5
The Remington accutips are 250 grain. The guys at Parker productions recommended there 300 grain ballistic extreme because they said it expands better at low velocity I had told my possible load set up for my daughter. I would be very interested to knowThe range for that load for the Whitetail deer
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 15:40:53 GMT -5
If you can find 250 Hornady SST is try them also. I shot a whitetail at 230 yards with the 250 SST with 80 grain by volume pryodex select. Hit front shoulder and stopped on the hide on opposite side. Bullet was a perfect mushroom. 250 SST @ 1800 fps Altitude 1200 feet @ 40° Pressure 29.50
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Post by BuckDoeHunter on Sept 1, 2015 16:50:45 GMT -5
When shooting 80gr by volume, his limit was 100yds based on his shooting ability. The load can go further, 160-170yds if u use 800 ft/lbs as a min. Bullet was 250 TMZ, switched to TEZs and is what this chart is based on. 1650fps muzzle velocity. Are those Rem AccuTips the same as the Barnes? I would think they would work good if a similar all copper bullet.
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Post by edge on Sept 1, 2015 17:26:52 GMT -5
Good info I also like to see others idea of range expectations. I do hate second guessers, IMO hunting is a personal thing and if you think you should take the the shot then take it. Some can't hit the broadside of a barn and others can nail the barn with bullets so it is never up to me, it is the guy behind the trigger...hit, miss, wound it and lose it it is always a possibility. edge.
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Post by schunter on Sept 2, 2015 6:30:15 GMT -5
When shooting 80gr by volume, his limit was 100yds based on his shooting ability. The load can go further, 160-170yds if u use 800 ft/lbs as a min. Bullet was 250 TMZ, switched to TEZs and is what this chart is based on. 1650fps muzzle velocity. Are those Rem AccuTips the same as the Barnes? I would think they would work good if a similar all copper bullet. Yes the Rem. Accutips are the Barnes 250 TEZ but with special sabot.
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Post by Dave W on Sept 2, 2015 6:35:39 GMT -5
When shooting 80gr by volume, his limit was 100yds based on his shooting ability. The load can go further, 160-170yds if u use 800 ft/lbs as a min. Bullet was 250 TMZ, switched to TEZs and is what this chart is based on. 1650fps muzzle velocity. Are those Rem AccuTips the same as the Barnes? I would think they would work good if a similar all copper bullet. Yes the Rem. Accutips are the Barnes 250 TEZ but with special sabot. Nothing special about the sabot, it is an MMP HPH series, forget which one. They just changed the color like they do for Barnes' yellow & blue.
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Post by GMB54-120 on Sept 2, 2015 8:45:28 GMT -5
Yes the Rem. Accutips are the Barnes 250 TEZ but with special sabot. Nothing special about the sabot, it is an MMP HPH series, forget which one. They just changed the color like they do for Barnes' yellow & blue. Have you called Del to confirm that?
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Post by schunter on Sept 2, 2015 9:51:51 GMT -5
Yes the Rem. Accutips are the Barnes 250 TEZ but with special sabot. Nothing special about the sabot, it is an MMP HPH series, forget which one. They just changed the color like they do for Barnes' yellow & blue. Not according to Barnes... The Green sabot is made by MMP, but it is a special proprietary sabot designed specifically for that combination. It is thicker to handle the higher pressure, and this bullet is special too – it is under sized to accommodate the thicker sabot. The bullet is .449” instead of .451” like our other muzzleloader bullets. So they work in combination – it’s a smaller bullet with a thicker sabot. Thanks, Ty Ty Herring | Consumer Service Barnes Bullets disclaims all possible liability for damages including actual, incidental and consequential, resulting from usage of the information or advice contained in this message. Use the data and advice at your own risk, and with extreme caution. IMPORTANT NOTE: Always begin loading from the minimum "START” charge and carefully develop loads by increasing in small increments of 2% towards the Maximum load.
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Post by Dave W on Sept 2, 2015 12:12:14 GMT -5
The info I got from MMP was that, it is nothing special and that an HPH could be subbed in for the green sabot. Slightly different polymer, I assume to get the desired color, was what I was told. Maybe my info is incorrect, just relaying what I was told.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 12:34:25 GMT -5
Good info I also like to see others idea of range expectations. I do hate second guessers, IMO hunting is a personal thing and if you think you should take the the shot then take it. Some can't hit the broadside of a barn and others can nail the barn with bullets so it is never up to me, it is the guy behind the trigger...hit, miss, wound it and lose it it is always a possibility. edge. I completely agree, range is personal preference. When I shot bp my range was around 250 yards cause I could hit every time. I've missed only 2 deer are 200+ yards both times I didn't take into account the angle of the shot. I missed a giant nontypical at 253 yards shooting straight down hill. Right over his back. I missed a big doe just over 200 yards shooting up a hill and right under her chest. I have a new range finder now that tells me how to hold also yet haven't had a chance to test it out though. Only shooting SST I only know what they will do and they will open up around 1000fps so where that falls on the table is where I draw the line for the bullet. To me that is the right thing to do but that is my opinion and personal preference. Good luck let us know how she does excited to hear a success story! It's time boys and girls season open yesterday for us!
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Post by schunter on Sept 2, 2015 15:23:20 GMT -5
The info I got from MMP was that, it is nothing special and that an HPH could be subbed in for the green sabot. Slightly different polymer, I assume to get the desired color, was what I was told. Maybe my info is incorrect, just relaying what I was told. I was just relaying what I was told also. I will measure some 250 TEZ and 250 Rem. Accu-tip tonight and see if they are indeed a different size and I have some HPH 12 and HPH 24 to check as well.
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Post by schunter on Sept 3, 2015 6:36:11 GMT -5
The 250 Rem Accutip is a different bullet from the 250 TEZ. They measure .449 as indicated by Barnes. There is also a groove in the base of the bullet.
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Post by rockwind1 on Sept 3, 2015 19:08:42 GMT -5
Is the recoil really that much different between a 250 grain versus a 300 grain?
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Post by schunter on Sept 4, 2015 6:11:32 GMT -5
You can feel the difference. I would stick with 250 for her.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 8:20:32 GMT -5
Is the recoil really that much different between a 250 grain versus a 300 grain? I sighted my bosses gun in and at the time he bought 300 SST. There was a noticeable difference, I wouldn't recommend them for your daughter. If you could get the 200 SST to shoot I'd try those also and another bullet I'd try would be the 225 FTX and order some harvester sabots for them. I have my boy shooting 225 FTX he hasn't shot a deer with them yet but recoil is allot nicer.
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Post by rockwind1 on Sept 7, 2015 20:53:33 GMT -5
thanks!
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