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Post by mcgowen45 on Aug 23, 2015 18:28:41 GMT -5
Well took the 40 cal. to the range today, and I will say she will shoot. The load today was 10/50, 4759/10X, the bullets were the SST's 200 gr. full form. After I got her on paper at 50 yrds, I took her out to 100 yrds. first shot was left and a bit high, adjusted down and right, and fire another one which is right next to the bull, I made one more adjustment to the right, and she was there. Not counting the first shot there are five shots in the group. I did loose about 40 t0 50 FPS in speed. The average speed was 2715 FPS and the other ones I have specially the other PACNOR which is also a .392/.400 with the same load is about 2800 FPS, and the .400/408 is around 2760. Next time I will go up on the main charge to 52 gr. and see how much speed I pick up. Biggest issue is finding something to load the bullet thru the brake. It is no problem to take it off load it and put it back on, but today I did MYERS, and forgot to put it back and I knew it the minute I pull the trigger. All in all she is a shooter. One more thing, the new Luke BP works great and I love it, and Cole did another great job.
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Post by rambler on Aug 23, 2015 18:35:53 GMT -5
Man that is freakin' awesome!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 19:08:53 GMT -5
Looks great but you missed one
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Post by longbowshtr on Aug 23, 2015 19:31:43 GMT -5
Great shooting Carlos. I would really like to own a .40.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 21:02:29 GMT -5
Some of us are not worried about bench rest competitions or shooting 400-600 yards, that is what makes the 40 shine, plenty accurate and plenty capable of taking deer to 300 yards and beyond, and there is a shart load less recoil than a 45, no lead sled required with a 40... I have a 45, they're great, but as a deer hunter, the 40 has made the 45 obsolete...
Great shooting as always Carlos! That's a beauty of a rig you have! Nice work Cole.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 21:39:12 GMT -5
I can hardly wait for Buckshot Tuesday.
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Post by Mid_Tn_Plowboy on Aug 24, 2015 1:30:14 GMT -5
I'm thinking about a light weight .40 with a brake to teach my wife and children with? What would you compare the recoil of you gun with? I'm sure there are some accurate reduced powder loads in the .40? great shooting by the way!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 7:12:21 GMT -5
I can hardly wait for Buckshot Tuesday.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 24, 2015 7:16:50 GMT -5
Being a guy who primarily shoots long I thought the .45 was the answer for bullet selection alone. Steve invited me up to PA to scratch my .40 curiosity and sold me on it. The .40 is the best all around hunting choice since the guns are more nimble and recoil mild.
Good shooting Carlos.
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Post by jims on Aug 24, 2015 11:44:53 GMT -5
One could shoot sabots in a .45 with .40 bullets and still get mild recoil. It would not be as accurate in warm weather or repeated shooting with the sabots and maybe all sabotted rounds would not match the accuracy of formed bullets. Do not know the answers but it gives us something to talk about for sure.
I have had an RB .40 for I think about 7 years but shot a .50 and .45s last year. Smaller calibers in years past. Just something different for a change. I had a brake on a .375, IF I could ream the same so I could use it on a .40 I would consider getting another .40. It is either a Shrewd or Vais, not as radical as some brakes but less is needed on the .40 anyways. Just my thoughts.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 24, 2015 15:02:02 GMT -5
I'm thinking about a light weight .40 with a brake to teach my wife and children with? What would you compare the recoil of you gun with? I'm sure there are some accurate reduced powder loads in the .40? great shooting by the way!! The ones I shot were both probably around 10# all up. The one without a break probably kicks like a .30-06 and the one with break about 50-60% of that, say .25-06 Rem or .243 Win. Compare that to my .45 rifles which are the same length or 5" longer, 25-50% heavier, depending on which one we are talking about, and generate 40% more recoil. If the name of the game is to stretch out I still want the .45 but if I have to carry it, hunt with it, and have someone I like shoot it then I want the .40 rifle. My wife has not and refuses to shoot my .45s but I think I could get her behind a .40 pretty easily.
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Post by rambler on Aug 24, 2015 16:11:10 GMT -5
Did anyone bring a 40 cal to the Kentucky challenge?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 16:57:41 GMT -5
Did anyone bring a 40 cal to the Kentucky challenge? Might want to look at the results and pay attention to the 300yd group. What caliber placed 2nd at 300yds? I don't even think he's a professional shooter
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Post by rob67 on Aug 24, 2015 17:02:54 GMT -5
Not criticizing your shooting Carlos but.... I am still failing to see what the fuss is about the .40? The .45 will easily as good as good or better?........and with a bigger range of bullet weights? Maybe I'm missing something? Yes Richard you are missing something. There is a wide range of bullet weight to shoot in the .40 up to 300 grain Barnes. (with a little work) I am still not convinced that a .45 is more accurate than a .40. But I have been told I was hard headed. I have shoot numerous sub .250 inch 100 yard groups with my .40 with the best being a .080 inch group. And yes I have a witness for that group. I just don't have time to post pics of groups on the board. Heck I don't even keep targets or pics of them anymore. I went to the KY challenge shooting a .40 with broken ribs in my upper right chest. All three of my groups sucked but at least at 300 yards only one .45 was able to better me. No doubt in my mind if it wasn't for the pain you would have been bumped back a spot!! And the same combination I was using my 10 year old son can shoot sub 1 moa with. Whats not to like Now back to Carlos. He's shooting off an old wobbly wooden bench and a sand bag out in the elements. He is just using the skills he obtained while proudly serving his country. I have yet seen him shoot a bad group. He is merely looking for good mls that are fun to shoot and make good deer sticks. But if you need some shooting lessons at the next KY challenge I will gladly bring him with me. Good shooting as always Carlos. Rob
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Post by rambler on Aug 24, 2015 17:18:04 GMT -5
Did anyone bring a 40 cal to the Kentucky challenge? Might want to look at the results and pay attention to the 300yd group. What caliber placed 2nd at 300yds? I don't even think he's a professional shooter Where are these results posted?
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Post by Dave W on Aug 24, 2015 17:32:42 GMT -5
Might want to look at the results and pay attention to the 300yd group. What caliber placed 2nd at 300yds? I don't even think he's a professional shooter Where are these results posted? Only 2 300yd groups under .5 MOA, Rob's was one of them.
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Post by Dave W on Aug 24, 2015 17:48:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 17:56:13 GMT -5
It's funny you mention those. I was just telling Carlos about them. He has my .408 die and a 401 die so he might be able to step them down for full form. The problem with them is they will be a lot harder to size then the Barnes 300gr 405Win TSX.
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Post by rambler on Aug 24, 2015 18:36:29 GMT -5
Where are these results posted? Only 2 300yd groups under .5 MOA, Rob's was one of them. Congrats to Rob. Good shooting.
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Post by rossman40 on Aug 24, 2015 19:07:39 GMT -5
On the 100yd score we forgot he was using a .40 so we subtracted .458 from outside to outside of the group when we should have subtracted only .400. So we added .058 back in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 19:39:53 GMT -5
At least there are a couple of people who were able give intelligent answers! Get back to work Rich! We gotta shoot tomorrow!
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Post by rambler on Aug 24, 2015 19:59:38 GMT -5
At least there are a couple of people who were able give intelligent answers! Get back to work Rich! We gotta shoot tomorrow! I'd like to have all that powder and equipment
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Post by Mid_Tn_Plowboy on Aug 24, 2015 21:18:50 GMT -5
Good info Keith, thanks
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Post by mcgowen45 on Aug 24, 2015 22:47:34 GMT -5
Not criticizing your shooting Carlos but.... I am still failing to see what the fuss is about the .40? The .45 will easily as good as good or better?........and with a bigger range of bullet weights? Maybe I'm missing something? Richard whether you were criticizing my shooting or not, it really does not make any difference to me. As long as I'm happy with what the gun does and the way I shoot that is all that matters. As far as the 40 cal. go, in my book they are superior to any .45 cal, that I have ever owned, and yes I had own three of them, and the only one I have now is the ,458 that I got from Cole. In my book they are more accurate, with less recoil, and pleasant to shoot, and they will do a nice job on any deer I ever shot with them. As far as bullets go, they are quite a few out there, from 200 gr, to 300 gr. Now if you want to see what one will do as far as accuracy, the pic I included is of a target I shot with my first 40 cal. I ever got, and DAVE D. who help me build it ask me to do for him, I even shot it all the way out to 600 yrds, but I will only post the one I shot at 200, and 300 yrds, and this gun will do this every day of the week, not just once in a while. The first group was at 200 yrds, and it is the top group which measured .574, and the second group was at 300 yrds which measured .635, and it is the center group, I used the same target i just move it from 200 to 300, and yes I do have witness to both groups. So as far as I'm concerned the 40 cal. will out shine the . 45 cal. any time, and this is what you are missing. One more thing, which is that I will put my 40 cal, up against any .45 cal any day of the week with out any hesitation what so ever. For your info my 400 yrds group was 1.750 if I remember correctly. That is my 2 cents worth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 7:06:08 GMT -5
Carlos, now that is some fine shooting!
The only thing that limits the .40 cal long range capabilities (~500 yards) at this point, is the high BC bullet selection.
Once you guys figure that out, the sky's the limit.
Thanks for the .40 cal info guys!
There is no end to the brainstorming and experimentation on Doug's board. And that's the best part about this board!
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Post by Dave W on Aug 25, 2015 12:57:09 GMT -5
Mighty impressive shooting Carlos!!!!
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Post by al53 on Aug 25, 2015 13:28:28 GMT -5
Great shooting Carlos...you know how to run the bang switch for sure...I hope Cole ran his secret rabbits foot over my rifle when done and shoots like that...haha...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 14:48:57 GMT -5
Great shooting Carlos, way to make the 40 shine and show its true potential.
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Post by lwh723 on Aug 25, 2015 16:31:55 GMT -5
Carlos, now that is some fine shooting! The only thing that limits the .40 cal long range capabilities (~500 yards) at this point, is the high BC bullet selection. Once you guys figure that out, the sky's the limit. Thanks for the .40 cal info guys! There is no end to the brainstorming and experimentation on Doug's board. And that's the best part about this board! Great shooting as always Carlos. I've never shot one, but recalling my sabot days with the 45cal and SABOTS and how awesome it was to shoot deer with little recoil and the 195BX, I would own one if it was legal to use for deer hunting in IA. As far as higher BC bullets, in my opinion, it would be kind of pointless in the 40cals since I see the 40cals as more of lighter weight 300ish (maybe a little further under ideal wind conditions) yard on in deer setup. If you want high BC then go a 416 which already has a fair number of high BC bullets to choose from. That's just my take on it....
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Post by rojo23 on Aug 25, 2015 16:33:42 GMT -5
Carlos, what bullets are you shooting at longer ranges 2-400 yards?
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