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Post by zalexander on Aug 23, 2015 10:38:35 GMT -5
I recently picked up my first 45 cal smokeless muzzleloader that Hillbill built for me. I used Burris XTR rings for it but they don't seem to be holding good enough. They have six screws for each ring so I thought they would be fine but they are tightened beyond normal specs and the scope still moves slightly after 10-15 shots. My load is 70gn H-4198 and 275-310gn MH bullets. My scope is a leupold VX3L with a 1" tube, so I need low rings.
What rings are the best for this application? I don't care if they are steel or aluminum as long as they hold.
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Post by lwh723 on Aug 23, 2015 10:40:44 GMT -5
Use a little clear fingernail polish in the rings. That will stop the slipping. I've used a variety of rings and that's the only sure way I've found to stop the slipping and still use recommended torque specs.
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Post by zalexander on Aug 23, 2015 10:56:49 GMT -5
So does that basically glue the scope in the rings?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 11:18:22 GMT -5
Use a little clear fingernail polish in the rings. That will stop the slipping. I've used a variety of rings and that's the only sure way I've found to stop the slipping and still use recommended torque specs. How do you apply the nail polish to rings that's a good idea
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 23, 2015 13:43:21 GMT -5
Put a drop in the bottom half of the ring. It's like putting your action in bedding compound without release agent. I have found if you use good rings they hold just fine at 18 to 20 in-lbs. I have not had issues with Seekins or Nightforce rings even with large optics on big guns.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 14:00:04 GMT -5
Put a drop in the bottom half of the ring. It's like putting your action in bedding compound without release agent. I have found if you use good rings they hold just fine at 18 to 20 in-lbs. I have not had issues with Seekins or Nightforce rings even with large optics on big guns. X2 I've got 4 sets of Nightforce 4 screw ultra light rings on my SMLs. I've never had a problem with them. Even after shooting 1000's of T-Rex loads.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 17:34:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 19:15:00 GMT -5
I put a small drop of silicone on both sides of the rings....never had to until I started shooting these hard kickers.. Zen
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Post by moto357 on Aug 23, 2015 19:24:00 GMT -5
I too have used clear nail polish with no problems. A few years ago rossman said rosin, bought from my local music shop. Haven't had anything slip using that either.
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Post by lwh723 on Aug 24, 2015 9:18:02 GMT -5
I think Vortex recommends 12-15 in-lbs of torque on scope ring screws which is probably about half or less of the "good n tight" amount I used to use before I got a torque wrench. At 12-15 in-lbs, I've got little confidence in any set of rings holding, so I use the nail polish and don't have to worry about it.
I also used RTV before too, but never on a heavy kicker although I'm sure it would work.
I put a dab on both the top and bottom of the ring. I assume the nail polish would clean right off with nail polish remover, but I've always used some fine steel wool and that gets the job done.
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Post by cowhunter on Aug 24, 2015 12:39:59 GMT -5
Slippage was a chronic problem for me until I started using Burris Tactical rings. Big aluminum 6 screw buggers.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 24, 2015 14:51:20 GMT -5
Slippage was a chronic problem for me until I started using Burris Tactical rings. Big aluminum 6 screw buggers. Yep, I like the 6/4 Seekins. Lots of surface area and T25 screws that will easily take 20 in-lbs without damaging your optic.
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Post by zalexander on Aug 24, 2015 15:31:07 GMT -5
Thanks for the help guys. I put a drop of the clear polish in the rings today to see if that works. In the process I think I found the problem. The crossbolt in the rear ring was a little loose allowing it to move forward and backward, basically only leaving to front ring to keep the scope in place. I think it should be good now though.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 24, 2015 15:58:43 GMT -5
So both are pushed forward against the lug and tightened down, right? I even read a post by a gun builder who didn't understand that is how these rings mount up.
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Post by zalexander on Aug 24, 2015 17:00:19 GMT -5
So both are pushed forward against the lug and tightened down, right? I even read a post by a gun builder who didn't understand that is how these rings mount up. Yes both rings are pushed forward and tight now. I don't have a torque wrench to put them on with so I just snugged them up pretty good. Thanks again for the advice.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 24, 2015 18:53:38 GMT -5
Finger tight using a driver or a wrench on long axis will get you around 20 in-lbs. Take that wrench and use short axis for another 1/4 turn will get you around 50 in-lbs. Most base mount screws need 50-65 in-lbs.
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Post by jims on Aug 24, 2015 19:11:20 GMT -5
Actually I thought the "logical" way to do it was to push one forward and one back but I read from this site and one of the ring makers that was not the way to do it, both forward. After 60 years of shooting I am still not too old to learn.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 19:50:16 GMT -5
Slippage was a chronic problem for me until I started using Burris Tactical rings. Big aluminum 6 screw buggers. I think he was using them same 6 screw rings
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Post by Dave W on Aug 25, 2015 14:10:08 GMT -5
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 25, 2015 14:22:02 GMT -5
I haven't used the 1" version but the 34mm version of that same ring is what I use and am about to order a 30mm set.
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Post by Dave W on Aug 25, 2015 14:26:35 GMT -5
I haven't used the 1" version but the 34mm version of that same ring is what I use and am about to order a 30mm set. Thanks! Figure out what I need Cole.
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Post by woody73 on Aug 25, 2015 17:39:53 GMT -5
I haven't used the 1" version but the 34mm version of that same ring is what I use and am about to order a 30mm set. Thanks! Figure out what I need Cole.
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Post by woody73 on Aug 25, 2015 17:42:15 GMT -5
Thanks! Figure out what I need Cole. iam needing to order a set of rings also in 30mm what height do you recommend with a 50 mm scope on a Remington build with a Bruxs barrel
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Post by woody73 on Aug 25, 2015 17:46:36 GMT -5
iam needing to order a set of rings also in 30mm what height do you recommend with a 50 mm scope on a Remington build with a Bruxs barrel planning on using seeking precision I really like the looks of them I need just enough room for a scope cap on the end like to stay as close to barrel as I can what's your suggestion
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 25, 2015 19:04:15 GMT -5
My .920" 6/4 Seekins on a Nightforce 20MOA rail will clear a 50mm objective on a Krieger HV which has a a 5" long shank with 1.250" diameter. You can get scope covers on but it is really close.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 19:04:16 GMT -5
What stock are you planing to use?
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Post by woody73 on Aug 25, 2015 20:07:01 GMT -5
What stock are you planing to use? boyed thumbhole i got a 20moa base I got from luke
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 25, 2015 20:09:49 GMT -5
You are going to have a hard time getting a good cheek weld
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Post by woody73 on Aug 26, 2015 5:46:46 GMT -5
What stock are you planing to use? boyed thumbhole i got a 20moa base I got from luke
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Post by zalexander on Aug 26, 2015 16:12:38 GMT -5
I think I got the scope to hold tight now. Here is a group I shot with it at 200 yards. Load was 74.0 gr H-4198 and 270 E-Max .060 wad and Win 209 primers.
Now if I can just get the 275MH to shoot as good I would be in business.
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