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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 17:07:40 GMT -5
Shot two 100yd groups and one 200yd group. It was a little windy today but still under 1" at 100yds with both bullets and different powders. Both 100yd groups shot 3 got me At 200yds it was shot 2. All bullets annealed cherry red and water cooled before sizing. Primers from the 350gr Barnes. They come out of the bolthead easily. No sticky or dry firing for removal required. The sled takes the bite out of the 350's.
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Post by edge on Aug 19, 2015 17:17:48 GMT -5
Very nice indeed!
Is that dykem on the primers, and what is the purpose?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 17:24:14 GMT -5
If your referring to the red, purple or blue on the bench that' just marker. Theres nothing on the primers. They are your standard Fed209A.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 17:49:50 GMT -5
Nice shooting Steve, looks like that Shilen and the 209 system is working out just fine. Glad to see some real world .416 groups, ya hear lots of people have them, but rarely see groups posted other than Josh. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by mcgowen45 on Aug 19, 2015 18:18:43 GMT -5
Great shooting, and the groups are great. I see you are finally getting the hang of that .416. Now get rid of the Led Sled, and put her on a shooting bag. I was sizing bullets for mine when you call, I was getting her ready for the range, but it will have to wait since I'm getting my new 40 cal. tomorrow, and that is going out to the range on Sunday.
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Post by kash913 on Aug 19, 2015 18:20:17 GMT -5
Wow and I heard the 416s are not a very accurate gun. Nice shooting I guess you're proving them wrong
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 18:23:49 GMT -5
Great shooting, and the groups are great. I see you are finally getting the hang of that .416. Now get rid of the Led Sled, and put her on a shooting bag. I was sizing bullets for mine when you call, I was getting her ready for the range, but it will have to wait since I'm getting my new 40 cal. tomorrow, and that is going out to the range on Sunday. I shoot all other MZ's and rifles I got off front rest and rear bag. I don't need shoulder surgery again because of the 416. 15 or so shots the first day off front rest and a rear bag was enough for me
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 18:39:34 GMT -5
It's a 2 and 1 shooter for sure. You will get that worked out of it and have it in the running for favorite mz
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Post by rob67 on Aug 19, 2015 18:46:13 GMT -5
Good shooting as usual.!! Still don't why your shooting a sub caliber. They won't shoot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 19:44:47 GMT -5
I forgot to add a picture of the Barnes 350 TTSX. Well I guess its a TSX with a boat tail now Black Sharpie line is matched to the marked land on the bore for loading. Just takes a little work for the subcalibers I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 19:45:59 GMT -5
Ketchup mustard bullets
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Post by longbowshtr on Aug 19, 2015 19:51:08 GMT -5
Are you using IMR or H 4350 with the 350 Barnes? Great shooting!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 19:59:12 GMT -5
Are you using IMR or H 4350 with the 350 Barnes? Great shooting! IMR4350 with the 350's. Since the 350's hit around 1" low from the bottom of my triangle aiming point I dialed up 2MOA to shoot the 200yd target. I should have dialed 3MOA. I didn't get around to shooting the 350 TSX flat base today. I have a feeling they will shoot pretty good also.
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Post by rob67 on Aug 19, 2015 20:09:50 GMT -5
In your case it only takes a little bit of work. Keep it up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 21:11:00 GMT -5
Good shooting as usual.!! Still don't why your shooting a sub caliber. They won't shoot. I've heard that's been said too.. We'll just leave it at that...
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Post by schunter on Aug 20, 2015 6:46:45 GMT -5
Man it must suck to have one out of the group and still be less than an inch. Great shooting and report...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 8:00:47 GMT -5
Great shooting! Do you have any .416 325 or 350 Match Hunters?
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Post by Dave W on Aug 20, 2015 12:44:21 GMT -5
Recoil does not look bad at all considering the load and bullet weight. Certainly is a shooter!
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Post by Richard on Aug 20, 2015 12:58:09 GMT -5
So here is my question.....Why would we be going to a smaller caliber and then looking to up the bullet weight? I was under the impression when some guys went to the .40's that their intention was to shoot lighter bullets (maybe a little faster than from a .45, but reduce recoil. I see here a bullet weight up to 350 gr.? Would it be the longer bullet "might" be more accurate? Hmmmmmmm? The longer bullet and weight would also mean a faster twist which relates to more torque? I dunno, maybe I'm missing something? Are chambers being put in these rifles? I saw at the Challenge where Jeff put a bullet down (I think) a .416 and it went too far and dropped below the shoulder? Not good. Sounds like load and bullet really have to be coordinated so that does not happen. Could be just we are looking for the Holy Grail? Have fun........carefully! Richard
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 13:27:29 GMT -5
So here is my question.....Why would we be going to a smaller caliber and then looking to up the bullet weight? I was under the impression when some guys went to the .40's that their intention was to shoot lighter bullets (maybe a little faster than from a .45, but reduce recoil. I see here a bullet weight up to 350 gr.? Would it be the longer bullet "might" be more accurate? Hmmmmmmm? The longer bullet and weight would also mean a faster twist which relates to more torque? I dunno, maybe I'm missing something? Are chambers being put in these rifles? I saw at the Challenge where Jeff put a bullet down (I think) a .416 and it went too far and dropped below the shoulder? Not good. Sounds like load and bullet really have to be coordinated so that does not happen. Could be just we are looking for the Holy Grail? Have fun........carefully! Richard Richard, just a side note to something you mentioned, highlighting safety.. Every gun that I have received that has a powder chamber installed in the barrel, has came with an aluminum dummy chamber clearly marked for that particular gun, so each and every charge can be dumped into the dummy chamber, to make sure incidents like you mentioned don't happen. That could be a catastrophic incident if something like that happened and wasn't caught. Like you said, be careful.. To me, for guns with powder chambers, the dummy chamber is just as important as a witness mark on a ramrod. JMO
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 14:19:28 GMT -5
So here is my question.....Why would we be going to a smaller caliber and then looking to up the bullet weight? I was under the impression when some guys went to the .40's that their intention was to shoot lighter bullets (maybe a little faster than from a .45, but reduce recoil. I see here a bullet weight up to 350 gr.? Would it be the longer bullet "might" be more accurate? Hmmmmmmm? The longer bullet and weight would also mean a faster twist which relates to more torque? I dunno, maybe I'm missing something? Are chambers being put in these rifles? I saw at the Challenge where Jeff put a bullet down (I think) a .416 and it went too far and dropped below the shoulder? Not good. Sounds like load and bullet really have to be coordinated so that does not happen. Could be just we are looking for the Holy Grail? Have fun........carefully! Richard This seems like a silly question from a competitive shooter.... Obviously higher bc is the end result here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 14:20:22 GMT -5
So here is my question.....Why would we be going to a smaller caliber and then looking to up the bullet weight? I was under the impression when some guys went to the .40's that their intention was to shoot lighter bullets (maybe a little faster than from a .45, but reduce recoil. I see here a bullet weight up to 350 gr.? Would it be the longer bullet "might" be more accurate? Hmmmmmmm? The longer bullet and weight would also mean a faster twist which relates to more torque? I dunno, maybe I'm missing something? Are chambers being put in these rifles? I saw at the Challenge where Jeff put a bullet down (I think) a .416 and it went too far and dropped below the shoulder? Not good. Sounds like load and bullet really have to be coordinated so that does not happen. Could be just we are looking for the Holy Grail? Have fun........carefully! Richard Richard, just a side note to something you mentioned, highlighting safety.. Every gun that I have received that has a powder chamber installed in the barrel, has came with an aluminum dummy chamber clearly marked for that particular gun, so each and every charge can be dumped into the dummy chamber, to make sure incidents like you mentioned don't happen. That could be a catastrophic incident if something like that happened and wasn't caught. Like you said, be careful.. To me, for guns with powder chambers, the dummy chamber is just as important as a witness mark on a ramrod. JMO Some people need lawsuits worse than I do!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 14:21:59 GMT -5
I have some 325 MH's. I need to size them a shade looser then I previously did. This barrel likes a loose fit.
The BC of the Barnes 350 TTSX is listed at .444. 350 MH and Cutting Edge is even higher.
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Post by rambler on Aug 20, 2015 14:22:21 GMT -5
Richard, just a side note to something you mentioned, highlighting safety.. Every gun that I have received that has a powder chamber installed in the barrel, has came with an aluminum dummy chamber clearly marked for that particular gun, so each and every charge can be dumped into the dummy chamber, to make sure incidents like you mentioned don't happen. That could be a catastrophic incident if something like that happened and wasn't caught. Like you said, be careful.. To me, for guns with powder chambers, the dummy chamber is just as important as a witness mark on a ramrod. JMO Some people need lawsuits worse than I do! That's what the 'LLC' is for
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Post by rob67 on Aug 20, 2015 14:42:06 GMT -5
I thought that it was pretty simple that the reason to go to a sub .45 caliber was better bullet bc. Look how the same load's group size starts to shrink at 200 yrds compared to 100 yrds. Once he gets his load tweaked some that ml will be a heck of a shooter especially at longer yardage.
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Post by rambler on Aug 20, 2015 14:59:40 GMT -5
For want of any other reason I just think it's cool
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Post by hankinsrfls on Aug 20, 2015 15:09:35 GMT -5
Let me clear up something here.. The chamber in my 416 is cut to hold 125 grains of 4350. We wanted to try a 110 grains of 3031 but to be sure it was safe I loaded it and removed the plug to see where the bullet was in relationship to the chamber before I fired it off.. Now after looking at it I decided it would have been perfectly safe to have shot it but I was getting late and as you know all the powder stuck to the threads in the barrel and I did not have an air compressor to blow it out so it was quitting time for the day.. The 110 grain load and the 300 barns will be tested some other day...
Thanks for the tip on making a duplicate powder chamber for checking charge weights.. I'll be making one for my 416 soon...
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Post by kash913 on Aug 20, 2015 16:29:05 GMT -5
So here is my question.....Why would we be going to a smaller caliber and then looking to up the bullet weight? I was under the impression when some guys went to the .40's that their intention was to shoot lighter bullets (maybe a little faster than from a .45, but reduce recoil. I see here a bullet weight up to 350 gr.? Would it be the longer bullet "might" be more accurate? Hmmmmmmm? The longer bullet and weight would also mean a faster twist which relates to more torque? I dunno, maybe I'm missing something? Are chambers being put in these rifles? I saw at the Challenge where Jeff put a bullet down (I think) a .416 and it went too far and dropped below the shoulder? Not good. Sounds like load and bullet really have to be coordinated so that does not happen. Could be just we are looking for the Holy Grail? Have fun........carefully! Richard So you can do this at 1000 yards
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 16:29:37 GMT -5
Let me clear up something here.. The chamber in my 416 is cut to hold 125 grains of 4350. We wanted to try a 110 grains of 3031 but to be sure it was safe I loaded it and removed the plug to see where the bullet was in relationship to the chamber before I fired it off.. Now after looking at it I decided it would have been perfectly safe to have shot it but I was getting late and as you know all the powder stuck to the threads in the barrel and I did not have an air compressor to blow it out so it was quitting time for the day.. The 110 grain load and the 300 barns will be tested some other day... Thanks for the tip on making a duplicate powder chamber for checking charge weights.. I'll be making one for my 416 soon... Jeff Only 77,000psi considerably safer than the 4100fps load
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 16:46:52 GMT -5
Richard where have you been? Theres been numerous 416 reports on here from Earnhart and a couple others. Not very many others as most say they arn't accurate or can't get them to shoot. Just last week it shot a 100yd group of under a 1/2" and a member here fired 3 shots at 200yds which was an excellent group for never shooting one before. Three 200yd groups have been fired from this gun with 2 different bullets and powder. All 200yd groups are under 1.5". My gun is a 14 twist with a small chamber. 7mm's first time shooting a 416mz ever..
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