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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 7:21:48 GMT -5
Anybody besides Kash got one up and running yet? Details if so  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 7:39:07 GMT -5
Pierce has been slow to pump them out and there were only 5 more made as of today. We are suppose to have the rest the beginning of July but we shall see. Rob67's rifle just shipped and Luke has one he was putting together himself. I kept one that was made for a long action for myself and the rest are in incomplete builds currently.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 11:12:03 GMT -5
Anybody besides Kash got one up and running yet? Details if so Maybe someday when Cole gets caught up building all these guns and he gets another run of bolts, I'll jump on board and build a Rem/Shilen 375 and use one of the new bolts. Can't wait to see some reviews myself.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 11:56:57 GMT -5
Hey Kash, How is that bolt face holding up?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 18:43:52 GMT -5
......and the rest are in incomplete builds currently. Speed things up then |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 20:36:36 GMT -5
Hey Kash, How is that bolt face holding up? Kash will likely be along sometime but I think I know what you are questioning. It was mentioned at the spring challenge that someone thought the bolt had has cutting when they were looking it over. This was misinterpreted and was only soot from a little primer leakage around the pocket of the first plug I got from Luke. I opened the pocket up just a little too far and that's all that caused it. Kash has been testing heavy loads in that gun but hasn't done as much testing as he was hoping he would have by now. He can fill in any blanks I've left out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 16:57:53 GMT -5
I have one at the CmC Storage Facility. Was just looking for some feedback. Had not seen anybody using the bolt beside Kash.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 19:11:06 GMT -5
I have one at the CmC Storage Facility. Was just looking for some feedback. Had not seen anybody using the bolt beside Kash. What is this build you have going with the new bolt Steve? It looks good. |
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Post by kash913 on Jul 6, 2015 19:33:36 GMT -5
Hey Kash, How is that bolt face holding up? Cole is right it's had some primer leakage I've been shooting 416 gr bullets @ 2650 I could cook bacon on the barrel after about four shots. I will take a few pictures tomorrow and post them. Hopefully in the next couple weeks I will have my new gun up and running I got a new barrel sitting waiting for bolts |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 23:14:10 GMT -5
It's a smokeless muzzleloader Guy. Thanks Kash. Make sure you wear ear protection while shooting |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 11:27:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the help Steve.  |
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Post by kash913 on Jul 9, 2015 21:58:08 GMT -5
It's a smokeless muzzleloader Guy. Thanks Kash. Make sure you wear ear protection while shooting I was pretty nervous about the load being the crash test dummy and I forgot to put hearing protection in and went your shooting inside a barn it's loud . |
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Post by kash913 on Jul 14, 2015 22:41:15 GMT -5
Went down the Pierce engineering this evening and helped them knock out a few bolts. I think we got all the kinks worked out this run   |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 23:31:35 GMT -5
Looking good
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Post by schunter on Jul 15, 2015 6:47:54 GMT -5
Sweet!!! Those are very sharp. Would love to have one with the flutes painted black.
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Post by elkman1310 on Jul 15, 2015 10:37:55 GMT -5
That's a nice looking bolt. But it is really over kill for a muzzleloader build. Especially with the shoulder plugs Luke offers and others. Another problem I see is you loose the cam effect to get a good tight fit of the 209 primer. I don't see how your forcing the primer into the breech plug with forward lugs on the bolt.
It does open the door for people with center fire actions to convert their rifle to a muzzleloader and then back again to center fire.
When you use a Rem 700 Ml action it will always be a muzzleloader. It would also be non FFL Some people think that's a plus others don't.
I am using a Pierce Action on my new 300WSM 1000 yrd. gun it works well. How much will a new bolt cost. Spare CF bolts cost $450.00
Keep us up to date.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 10:45:43 GMT -5
Elkman, definitely not overkill. They are a comparable cost to any other system we are already using. Also a remington action has about .100" cam so it is actually perfect for Luke's new plug and others with a primer stop installed in them. The bolts are about half of what a pierce CF bolt is because we do the finish fitting that they usually take care of as part of that $450. The 4473 controlled gun isn't a big deal if you don't mind doing things legally. You can build the gun for yourself if you would like, choose a smith that has a FFL, or send it to a builder on the board that has a license. There are a few here that do but make sure you check before you ship you actions out, most of us are pretty soft and would recieve a pretty good pounding daily for the next 8yrs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 11:17:49 GMT -5
Very nice Kash. Definitely not overkill in my book. I believe selling your factory bolt puts the Pierce bolt in about the same price range as the Hunter Bolt for 700ML's.
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Post by ratsnakeboogy on Jul 15, 2015 13:53:38 GMT -5
most of us are pretty soft and would recieve a pretty good pounding daily for the next 8yrs. HA! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 13:56:02 GMT -5
Heard from kash today and he is hoping his wife will let him come down Saturday to deliver this order of 20 bolts and build his new SML himself. How long of a video am I allowed to post? This should be a great learning experience for his wallet |
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Post by elkman1310 on Jul 15, 2015 16:04:02 GMT -5
I do believe in doing things legally. The fact is most muzzleloaders are non FFL. Most people like it that way. Not because they are criminals. They don't need the Gov. involved in everything. Also if you don't have a FFL you cannot install a barrel on a CF action for anyone without them being there personally while you do the installation. You are also not allowed to keep the firearm overnight . Also the barrel must be clearly marked what it is. So be careful what you wish for
It is also a proven fact that the lugs on the bolt are not needed. As long as you use a quality made plug and have someone who knows something about machine work install it correctly. Some on this board are trying to down play the importance of being a experienced machinist to setup a barrel and install a plug and get the correct head space for the primer. The barrel nut makes it easier for a beginner. I don't use a barrel nut.
The Savage muzzleloaders didn't fail because of the breech plug or no lugs on the bolt. They failed because of a double charge or other dumb careless loading practice.
You can install as many lugs on that bolt body you want and you can still blow the barrel apart. Also not all Remington actions are cut with that much cam surface on the lug section.
I will give the guy credit for going the extra mile and making this bolt. If it can be sold for $250 to $300 it would be worth the cost. And would save the hassle of buying up used Rem 700ML's
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 16:32:23 GMT -5
The lugs are only a positive in the fact that you can have a perfect fit on the primer to the shoulder in the plug that will remain the same almost indefinitely. The bolt retention screws wear and this changes the relationship of the primer to the plug. There are many muzzleloaders out there for the guys that can't get through the background check without issues. They are cheap and easily had year round.
Not sure what you're getting at about the skilled machinist thing. Kash is going to build his own for his satisfaction and because he has access to the machines. A lot of guys don't want to be involved in that part of the build. Some people like to call us assemblers but they are the builders. Some call themselves builders when they are excellent outsourcers and glorified bedders. I think they have picked up and left us though.
Any luck with your complete non FFL mz action?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 16:45:43 GMT -5
In my years here I've seen and learned the difference between the builders and the assemblers, the hard expensive way. There are plenty of both in the SML world. Not knocking either style, just don't be fooled when looking to get a build done.
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Post by jims on Jul 15, 2015 17:46:43 GMT -5
Nice work.
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Post by kash913 on Jul 15, 2015 19:43:21 GMT -5
Sneak peek Of my next build   |
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jul 15, 2015 21:26:11 GMT -5
Kash pm me your number. Ill call tomorrow afternoon
Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 21:29:31 GMT -5
Do you guys have the barrel fitting and head spacing figured out and ready to go for when the bolts are done?
Ohioguy, what does that buck score in your Avatar? Monster! Those G-3's are crazy long!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 21:48:19 GMT -5
Earnhardt, we do have them figured out for a pre-fit for ya! Luke got one and used a 5mil .241 shim to achieve proper fit using the dimension I came up with and his action. I would be happy to take the time to ensure yours would be right, I know you're rough on the equipment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 22:00:32 GMT -5
Do you guys have the barrel fitting and head spacing figured out and ready to go for when the bolts are done? Ohioguy, what does that buck score in your Avatar? Monster! Those G-3's are crazy long! 165 and change official net score |
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Post by elkman1310 on Jul 16, 2015 8:42:43 GMT -5
The muzzleloader actions I wanted to make are on the back burner. Richards knows I am dealing with some very serious health issues with my wife.
And the owner of the company is knee deep in running his main company. So what seemed like a done deal is not ready for prime time.
I keep hearing the same song about people that can't buy a FFL muzzleloader have to settle for the cheap junk. Well you can think what you want. But you are wrong!
I have built several muzzleloaders using the Remington and Savage action. I like the Rem better. There has been posts about the cam screw wearing out. There is no reason for the screw to wear out as long as you head space your primer to the plug and have the correct size reamed into the plug for the primer to fit properly. I use CCI Mag primers they like most 209 primers are not perfectly round.
Most 209 primers measure .2385 to .2415 I use a .240 reamer which produces a nice tight fit . You have got to take the time to set things up properly. If you do it right there is very little wear on the screw or the slot. Some of the Remington screws were cut off center which was a problem not the design.
I build very high quality rifle rests for the 1000 Yard boy's. I also built some high quality muzzleloaders . I do buy a donor action , I make my own bolt nose assembly, my own breech plug also the muzzle brake. I setup and thread my own barrels. I usually use Boyd stocks. Which I pillar bed. And then I make all the needed accessories for the muzzleloader.
I consider myself a designer and a build. I do not build muzzleloaders for a living. I only build a few a year. And I will only build one for a person that has experience with muzzleloaders and also is a reloader. I keep telling people these high performance muzzleloaders are not for everyone.
I think we can put this topic to rest!
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