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Post by deadeer on May 11, 2015 9:52:04 GMT -5
It seems the public input concerning the high power rifle proposal in Indiana has changed the mind of DNR and others. Too bad, was really hoping for it and already had been gearing up for the change. Jay www.in.gov/nrc/files/item_10_exhibit_C.pdf |
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Post by esshup on May 11, 2015 11:19:29 GMT -5
I had high hopes that it would pass too. Bummer.
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Post by bestill on May 11, 2015 13:37:22 GMT -5
I be on the other side and hope it doesn't pass .
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Post by xring on May 11, 2015 17:50:32 GMT -5
I have been on the opposing side the whole time. I am a check in station and sell hunting license. There is way to many people out there that has not had proper training or has no common sense. Now not to start a big squabble the experience hunter that has respect for neighbors, fellow hunters, the state laws and/or the love of the hunt (not just blood thirsty) I believe it would be fine.
PS==take them with that assume shooting ML
Rick
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Post by deadeer on May 12, 2015 0:31:55 GMT -5
Yeah its not going to affect me at all. I am in the sml game with a pair of 45 PACs and TC Encore pistols. Just thought it would be something fun and different to use. I think if we got thru opening weekend without anybody shot, the rest of the season would be OK. As stated, a lot of yahoos out there to spoil the party.
Jay
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Post by Boonechaser on May 12, 2015 6:57:10 GMT -5
If you are a hunter and not a target shooter this should not bother you. I have taken many many deer in my 35yrs of hunting and I would say my average shot is 30yds.
I seen people say it would help women and children get in the field with litter recoil. There are many light recoil choices out there that are still capable of taking game at 150yds plus. No need for HPR
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Post by dans on May 14, 2015 9:13:02 GMT -5
Pro Hi power. DNR has let me down.
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Post by deadeer on May 14, 2015 12:56:13 GMT -5
Vote is Friday, maybe somebody won't show up and it will pass by default! Hey, wishful thinking.
Jay
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Post by esshup on May 21, 2015 17:26:24 GMT -5
It's toast. Oh well. Now I'm eying a SP (Specialty Pistol) that is legal and will be able to take a deer further than 90% of the CF rifles out there. I will hardly use it, but there's one farm that is 1/2 mile wide and 3+ miles long.
They farm up to the woods that is on the neighbors property, and there is little room to get close to the deer - not much to hide in when the majority of the ground is chiseled corn fields.
I figure if I can shoot coyotes with basically anything that I want to, I might as well play by the states rules and buy something that is legal now, and sell it if the CF Rifle proposal ever passes in the future.
There were times last year when the .45 Savage still wouldn't allow me to get close enough to the deer.
OTOH, the majority of the other properties that I hunt, the shots could be 20 or 200 yds.
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Post by biddler2 on Jun 8, 2015 21:29:39 GMT -5
I believe the pro CF crowd should take a stepped approach instead of going for the home run. Work to get commonly accepted CF cartridges accepted that are of low to medium power first. Regulate it to exact factory loading instead of wildcatting around the regulation. Think long term goal instead of immediate pay back. These rifles would be .243 Winchester... to possibly 270 Winchester. The varmit guys have done this work for you. This would introduce young hunters and small frame shooters to the sport. I have much less money in my bolt action .243 and its considerably cheaper to shoot than my sml conversion or a saboted slug gun.
If hunters act responsibly and some guys check their ego it builds a platform. Then you can start to try to move up the ladder towards high power rifles. I'm from Indiana and have hunted there for about 20 years but moved to Kansas 3 years ago. CF from .223 on up is legal here and the majority of hunters shoot 7mm mag, 30-06, & 300 win mag at deer 100 yards from the stand to the feeder. Road hunting is also popular with the magnum crowd. They don't get to hunt the rut with firearm either. Expensive leases also dominate the private land. How many would trade the current firearm season with regs for 2 weeks during the second season?
I'm not against the allowance of CF rifle but think allowing magnums in the beginning could lead to issues on public land. I know several people back in Indiana that haven't shot rifles before that instantly were leaning towards the 3 magnums mentioned including a 338 Lapua!
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Post by bigbuckdwn on Jun 24, 2015 19:31:02 GMT -5
It's toast. Oh well. Now I'm eying a SP (Specialty Pistol) that is legal and will be able to take a deer further than 90% of the CF rifles out there. I will hardly use it, but there's one farm that is 1/2 mile wide and 3+ miles long. They farm up to the woods that is on the neighbors property, and there is little room to get close to the deer - not much to hide in when the majority of the ground is chiseled corn fields. I figure if I can shoot coyotes with basically anything that I want to, I might as well play by the states rules and buy something that is legal now, and sell it if the CF Rifle proposal ever passes in the future. There were times last year when the .45 Savage still wouldn't allow me to get close enough to the deer. OTOH, the majority of the other properties that I hunt, the shots could be 20 or 200 yds. Been there and did that in WI. We were slug guns or muzzle loaders only. That progressed to handguns shooting rifle calibers. I had a Savage 510F in .243 Win. caliber. I shot a nice buck at a rangefinder confirmed 300 yards with it. It also cost me a nice buck (that I would have killed with my shotgun) because I could not get him found in the scope. Works fine from a stand, but miserable to carry and shoot off hand. IMHO hand cannons are much more dangerous to point and shoot than a centerfire rifle. I also never could understand why it was fine to shoot coyotes with a centerfire rifle but not deer, especially dead of winter when frozen ground can cause richochets. Well they finally passed legislation to deer hunt with rifles here. We had one guy especially writing articles in the local newspaper that the sky was falling. He was assuring everyone that would listen how accidental shootings would increase dramatically. That has not come to fruition. I'm not saying that an accident will never happen, only that we did not see an increase in accidental shootings. We have had rifle season here now for several years. I immediately sold the 510F Savage hand cannon when rifles were approved. I have been scared many times with flying shotgun slugs. If I had to go back to a slug gun, I would hunt deer elsewhere. I really believe that rifle guys are more respecting of squeezing the trigger, as they full well know the danger a long range rifle cartridge presents. Yes, we also have a 10 day muzzleloader season. That is how I wound up here  I have killed a few with my TC 50 cal. Hawken, but now have an inline. |
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Post by kennacl55 on Nov 29, 2015 20:47:31 GMT -5
We have always been able to use CF rifles here in WV but sometimes I wonder about how many hunters really understand just what they are shooting. Our club offers sight-in days the week before our gun season starts. We supply targets, rests, and sand bags and even a spotter. It is apparent that many people dont know much about how to safely handle a CF rifle let alone what they are capable of doing at distances beyond their entended target. We preach safety and proper gun handling but I wonder how many remember what we tell them once they leave our range. Its all worth it if just 1 of the people we help remember what we attempt to teach them during their sight-in session with help from our members. Sometimes it seems that the younger shooters pay more attention than the older shooters do, and that really makes you fill like you have done a good job teaching them safety first.
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Post by deadeer on Nov 30, 2015 0:47:04 GMT -5
It is hard for the average weekend hunter to keep up with yearly rules and reg changes. Yes they should, but no they don't. So many people ask me if this or that caliber is legal now and whats new or what has changed from last year. I have came across several guys that have high power rifles in their hands during deer season. I think it would just be simpler for the DNR to list exact calibers allowed. Or make any caliber with a magnum designation not allowed. Or say only short action cartridges like 243w, 260r, 7-08r, 308w, 338f, 358w, 30-30, 35r, 444m, 45-70, and straightwall, etc. Take out the long action and magnum names and the public won't get scared to death.
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I have killed a few with my TC 50 cal. Hawken, but now have an inline.