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Post by 7mmfreak on Mar 14, 2015 7:30:28 GMT -5
Cool. I know 4140 is their standard, even on their Ti action, so I wasn't sure what you would offer. My Pierce is all CM.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 8:11:43 GMT -5
Keith, now you've got me flustered! Let me talk to kash and pierce before I swear off anything more. This is what happens when you build a bolt with a lowly painter!
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Post by dave d. on Mar 14, 2015 8:22:17 GMT -5
Bolt looks great guys. Should be a show stopper. Great job
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Post by 7mmfreak on Mar 14, 2015 8:38:15 GMT -5
Cole, I think y'all did a bang up job and I could care less which steel you use, I'd buy one. I have zero issues with 4140; I like CM for actions and knives. Nothing wrong with stainless either but I usually do stainless barrels and pistol slides (nitrided) not rifle bolts or actions.
I think this bolt and the new 209 plug are going to be the perfect pair.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 8:41:00 GMT -5
Suuuure...just when I almost had my safe cleaned out! Now I gotta build another one around your bolt set-up. D'OH! Rem Ultimate, here I come!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 8:46:49 GMT -5
I guess I assumed it was ss because it hasn't rusted where Earnhardt keeps drooling on it! We will double check on Monday, sorry I can't tell you more now.
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Post by dannoboone on Mar 14, 2015 10:37:54 GMT -5
Would the bolt of a Remington XR 100 in .204 Ruger be able to be adapted to that bolt head to hold the 209 primer ? Chris Right now we only have them in the 700 sa length. Mr. Buck, send me that poor, lonely XR100 and I'll send you a 700 in which the new bolt will fit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 10:40:16 GMT -5
the XRs make great little guns!
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Post by norseman1 on Mar 14, 2015 11:10:13 GMT -5
The bolt looks great.I was just wondering the purpose of a huge tactical knob on a single shot muzzle loader?
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Post by norseman1 on Mar 14, 2015 11:10:51 GMT -5
The bolt looks great.I was just wondering the purpose of a huge tactical knob on a single shot muzzle loader?
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Post by bluedog on Mar 14, 2015 11:22:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I feel the same way about that bolt handle, I would not want that boat anchor hanging on my ML bolt, a simple Rem style handle should provide enough leverage grip or am I missing something?
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Post by ratsnakeboogy on Mar 14, 2015 11:29:22 GMT -5
The tactical knobs are for the most part form over function. I have several with the knobs and they do not seem to cause me any issues. I had to put one on one of my builds due to the big European eye-piece on the scope I wanted to use. It was either go to high mounts or install the knob, I can't stand high mounts.
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Post by kash913 on Mar 14, 2015 11:46:12 GMT -5
Just screwed one on that they had laying around no more no less
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Post by Dave W on Mar 14, 2015 11:57:53 GMT -5
Looks awesome and opens up a new option. Great job guys!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 12:18:44 GMT -5
Knobs are just an option, it is much cheaper to have the bolt handle come to us threaded vs people paying ~$50 to have it done afterwards. Screw on knobs are available in a hundred varieties and we can do a regular classic knob as well.
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Post by norseman1 on Mar 14, 2015 14:06:47 GMT -5
Knobs are just an option, it is much cheaper to have the bolt handle come to us threaded vs people paying ~$50 to have it done afterwards. Screw on knobs are available in a hundred varieties and we can do a regular classic knob as well. Thanks,that makes sense.norseman1
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Post by saskquach on Mar 14, 2015 15:53:02 GMT -5
If this bolt is available for a model seven action I could see it and lukes plug with a 375 barrel replacing my daughters 7-08! How much does the fluting process add to the price? Or will there be plain option offered?
Dean
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 19:53:12 GMT -5
Very Cool....when are you all going to have all the upgrades COMPLETELY figured out..breechplug,bolt ...etc.lol....the bar just keeps getting raised...good job guys...beautiful bolt...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 20:13:27 GMT -5
Squachy, the fluting adds $50 when they do it before the handle is attached. That's a whole bunch cheaper than when we have them done after the fact!
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Post by Richard on Mar 14, 2015 20:35:29 GMT -5
Very nice! Richard
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Post by gar on Mar 15, 2015 11:44:59 GMT -5
Will the camming effect tighten the 209 primer into the breech plug for a squeeze fit, and how many thousandths does the bolt cam forward? Great looking bolt.
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Post by airborneike on Mar 15, 2015 22:24:41 GMT -5
Gar,
Yes the bolt will push the primer into the primer pocket.
A standard Remington 700 if well timed will cam forward about .100" little less if the action has been blue-printed and not had the bolt handle re-set.
Mike
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 13:21:00 GMT -5
Mike is exactly right, with this bolt(or mikes) and Luke's plug you will be able to create a light crush for on the nose of the primer as well as a tight fit on the body of the primer and there will be zero possibility for blowby. This has been accomplished on 700mls before but it doesn't take long and the bolt and retain in screw wear and you're leaking again.
As an update, I was going to put my test action together with a 45 shilen and a savage plug for the initial testing of this bolt. However I have been able to secure a .416 barrel and a arrowhead plug so I will be putting it together with these components instead. Currently sitting here waiting on a visit from the ATF so not getting her done today at this pace! I am very anxious to see the results with this combo, especially after shooting a .416 for the first time this weekend. Probably won't shoot again until the shoulder bruising subsides though!! I will post results as soon as I have a rifle together. Looks like it will be going in the freezer for cold weather testing as the spring has sprung finally!!
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Mar 18, 2015 19:36:50 GMT -5
What material will they be made from?
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Post by kash913 on Mar 18, 2015 20:58:25 GMT -5
If I remember correctly it's 3140 CM but I could be wrong
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Post by kash913 on Mar 18, 2015 20:59:10 GMT -5
The same material all bolts are made out of defiance Pierce surgeon
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Post by rossman40 on Mar 18, 2015 22:38:13 GMT -5
3140 is a nickel-chrome steel, mainly used in forgings and isn't as nice to machine and finish as 4140. 4140 is chrome-moly steel, with the additional small amounts of molybdenum, silicon and sulfur makes it machine a whole lot better.
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Post by kash913 on Mar 19, 2015 6:44:08 GMT -5
3140 is a nickel-chrome steel, mainly used in forgings and isn't as nice to machine and finish as 4140. 4140 is chrome-moly steel, with the additional small amounts of molybdenum, silicon and sulfur makes it machine a whole lot better. Ross like a said I can't remember I know the base of the actions are 4140 the bolts are made of something else can't remember the numbers.
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Post by kash913 on Mar 19, 2015 6:46:12 GMT -5
3140 is a nickel-chrome steel, mainly used in forgings and isn't as nice to machine and finish as 4140. 4140 is chrome-moly steel, with the additional small amounts of molybdenum, silicon and sulfur makes it machine a whole lot better. Ross like a said I can't remember I know the base of the actions are 4140 the bolts are made of something else can't remember the numbers.
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Post by rossman40 on Mar 19, 2015 13:24:11 GMT -5
If they get get the blanks as a forging they might be 3140. PT&G cuts theirs from a billet (round stock). You have to remember Remy factory bolts are actually 3 pieces, the bolthead and the handle are attached to the bolt body. Someone told me a long time ago the Remy boltheads started off as a forged part. Now there are "one-piece" bolts that are actually 2 pieces, the bolt body and bolthead are one piece and the handle is still braised or welded onto the bolt body. Strength wise 3140 and 4140 are about the same, they have about the same amount carbon for hardness. With the small amount of nickel instead of chrome the 3140 may be a bit more corrosion resistant. Easy to machine means you can up the feed rates (speed of cut) and longer tool life. In modern production machining, time and tooling is money. Just as 416 stainless is not the strongest or most corrosion resistent stainless steel, but you get a lot of strength and it machines so well compared to others is why you see it so much in firearms.
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