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Post by je4bowhuntin on Mar 8, 2015 22:55:32 GMT -5
Fixing to re scope my optima v2 with a Leupold ultimate slam. I ordered some 250gr xtp's for my new smokeless savage 10ml 2 and some rib crush sabots my question is on the cvs what is a good 250 gr projectile. I have some Tc shockwave bonded I have been shooting but these new xtp's but not sure what sabot to try on them. Thanks for any info I will be running 2 pellets pyrodex for now.
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Post by ronlaughlin on Mar 9, 2015 7:51:50 GMT -5
The Harvester short black might work good.
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Post by BuckDoeHunter on Mar 9, 2015 10:46:57 GMT -5
Harvester smooth black sabot, 300gr bullets or less, shoots great in my Apex and my son's Accura V2, paired with a Barnes 250gr TEZ bullet. We do push them faster with 110gr of BH209 powder
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Post by je4bowhuntin on Mar 9, 2015 11:15:01 GMT -5
I have some red rib crushers or some short black mmp. Should I order something different?
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Post by BuckDoeHunter on Mar 9, 2015 12:47:15 GMT -5
I think both MMP and Harvester will send you some samples to try before you place an order.
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Post by je4bowhuntin on Mar 9, 2015 13:03:34 GMT -5
Was reading and from what I understand Tc shockwaves are hornady sst and the sabots they come with are harvester smooth
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Post by mrbuck on Mar 9, 2015 13:30:26 GMT -5
To the best of my knowledge the Shockwaves are the Hornady SSTs with just a different color tip . Never shot any deer with an 250gr. XTP but it is a fine bullet to get a new smokeless shooter learning the basics . The
250gr. XTP may be a little too lightly constructed for heavy deer at bad angles when shot at hot smokeless
velocities ... I never trusted them . The 250gr. SST is maybe more heavily constructed and has a much better
B.C. for better trajectory and retained energy . The Barnes 250gr Tipped bullet is the best bullet of them
all for " killing power " but I never got them to shoot well from any of my guns . I think that because they
are solid that they don't swell upon the initial thrust of the ignition of the powder charge like a jacketed
lead core bullet does ... anyway I could never get them to shoot like I wanted . JMO
Chris
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Post by triplese7en on Mar 9, 2015 17:31:44 GMT -5
Fixing to re scope my optima v2 with a Leupold ultimate slam. I ordered some 250gr xtp's for my new smokeless savage 10ml 2 and some rib crush sabots my question is on the cvs what is a good 250 gr projectile. I have some Tc shockwave bonded I have been shooting but these new xtp's but not sure what sabot to try on them. Thanks for any info I will be running 2 pellets pyrodex for now. That 250 XTP is NOT a XTP Mag bullet. Only the 240 and 300 grain versions are. If you are planning high speeds with that Savage, you may want to exchange that box of bullets for the Mags. One of the best buys in muzzleloader bullets right now is the Harvester Scorpion PTs. They look similar to the SSTs and you can get them in 260 grain 30pks cheap. link |
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Post by hunter on Mar 9, 2015 18:59:50 GMT -5
I hope you got the red crushed rib for the savage, I think the black will be too loose with .452 bullets
for good ignition. The black crushed rib works with the .458 bullets.
The 250 gr xtp will shoot better than the mag version almost all the time.
The bonded shockwave and the xtp's should be the same size and would use the same sabot.
The bonded shockwaves should hold up good at smokeless speeds.
I have used them for a few years at 2500 fps with very good results.
As for the v-2 I can't help there, never had one.
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Post by triplese7en on Mar 9, 2015 22:40:18 GMT -5
The 250 may be more accurate at a range (although I do not understand how), but the 240 will hunt better with Savage-type speeds. The 240 Mag bullet does not fragment like the 250....ie....concerning impacts relating to higher speeds. The Hornady website addresses individual fps tolerations, when clicking on details of each XTP handgun bullet.
Just sayin' after making the same "hunting bullet" mistake in my XTP purchase 3-4 years ago, when I was naive about the details and purchased a 100-pk of 230 grain XTPs. I still have the entire box.
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Post by GMB54-120 on Mar 10, 2015 0:14:21 GMT -5
Was reading and from what I understand Tc shockwaves are hornady sst and the sabots they come with are harvester smooth That is incorrect The sabots that come with SSTs and T/Cs are made by MMP. The red SST sabots are MMP 3P E-Z sabots made for tight bores. They are likely too loose for the Optima. The older SSTs also came with black MMP sabots but im not sure which one. I am sure they are not harvesters. |
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Post by GMB54-120 on Mar 10, 2015 0:16:31 GMT -5
I have some red rib crushers or some short black mmp. Should I order something different? Both of those will likely be very tight in a Optima bore. They measure over .508 loaded diameter and are designed for loose bores. (.502ish+) Harvester smooth black "short" (for under 300gr bullets) are the ones you want. Even if you plan on using a 300gr bullet. MMP HPH-24 may also work well. Both are roughly .504 loaded OD depending on the bullet you use. |
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Post by cougariii on Mar 10, 2015 2:41:46 GMT -5
I shoot 250 SST with a hornady sabot.I bought them separate though. They shoot great. Last three shot group I shot was around 1" at 100 yards using BH209 100 grain by volume. The sst's do not hold up well on quartering shots though. I shot a big doe at 50 yards quartering to me and the SST blew apart inside her. She did not go far though.
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Post by je4bowhuntin on Mar 13, 2015 8:11:25 GMT -5
Well after all the research I grabbed a blackhorn breech plug and some blackhorn to go with it. We shall see how this goes Im going to sight in with pellets then swap plug and powder and hopefully do some group comparison wish I had a chrono
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Post by jbm77 on Mar 13, 2015 13:54:07 GMT -5
I've been shooting a accura v2 for four years now with different bullets and powder. Since you have or will have a blackhorn plug save your money and throw the pellets away, and you will never look back after using Blackhorn 209. Barnes are the best performing bullet on deer, but not as accurate on paper as an SST. With shots at 200 yards and under the Barnes still hold groups plenty good to take deer at this range. Just my .02$
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Post by acekicker on Mar 18, 2015 11:29:41 GMT -5
Any idea of the velocity the bullets would be leaving the muzzle? This might be the deciding factor on your bullet choice. Hornady, for example, will list the the speeds their bullets perform best at. If you don't have access to a cronograph, you could find the expected velocity info on most powder company websites. It might save some trial and error testing and maybe a wounded animal. Just a thought.
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