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Post by marv on Feb 27, 2015 15:01:16 GMT -5
can a 783 Remington bolt action be converted to a muzzleloader
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 15:15:25 GMT -5
With enough work yes I think it could be.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 19:07:28 GMT -5
With enough work yes I think it could be. What's your thoughts on the Axis II XP with Accutrigger? Wonder if the 209 bolthead will work? |
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Post by rossman40 on Feb 27, 2015 19:13:23 GMT -5
The 783 is close to the Marlin XL7/XS7 and both end up like a Savage clone with the barrel nut and floating bolthead. The 783 also uses the smaller ejection port like the Savage Axis which makes the action stiffer. How the 783 won the 2014 NRA rifle of the year when so much of it was copied from Savage never ceases to amaze me. I guess it was their turn to win. And of course the gunrag writers never mention the features that were copied. They were all Remingtons fresh ideas to make a great rifle.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 19:28:05 GMT -5
With enough work yes I think it could be. What's your thoughts on the Axis II XP with Accutrigger? Wonder if the 209 bolthead will work? Pretty sure the bolt head would work, I'm thinking that the .408 with a brake could be used as is with the crappy recoil lug. A heavy hitter would require a real recoil lug be installed IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 19:59:11 GMT -5
Digging into the 783 some. Boyds makes replacement stocks. Barrels can be prefit. Just need a 209 bolthead  |
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Post by quillen52 on Feb 27, 2015 20:36:26 GMT -5
I had a savage axis in 7mm-08 so just for grins I disassembled the rig and sure enough my Savage - Macgowan barrel threaded right in. Only problem was that there was considerable thread sealant in the threads of the receiver. Once this was cleaned up the barrel went right in. The 209 bolt head I had been using on a savage model 11 action worked perfectly on the axis bolt. I never fired the gun after I put it together because of the unusual recoil lug. If one had the equipment to face off the receiver and use a decent recoil lug I think it would work just fine.
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 27, 2015 23:55:29 GMT -5
My Marlington XS7 will take small shank Savage barrels.
So, will the Remlington 783 also be a fit for small shank
Savage barrels? Seems like they're copying everything else
but the bolt!
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Post by linebaugh on Feb 28, 2015 7:25:25 GMT -5
I don't know about the 783 but I converted a marlin XS7 to smokeless a few months back. I'm not advocating it's a great gun but the recoil lug was flat ground not stamped and I actually preferred their version of the "accutrigger".
The barrel nut is very crude looking and for some reason they thought it was pretty to cut a ring into it. Ick! I threw it in the garbage and went with a traditional shouldered barrel headspaced to the bolt face.
I never tried to install a savage bolt head into the gun but if memory serves me right there was a difference in the bolt heads. Perhaps an extra cut for and corresponding track on the inside of the action? Can't remember.
Not much help on the 783 I know but the marlin action was brought up so thought I'd chime in.
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Post by rossman40 on Feb 28, 2015 10:25:39 GMT -5
The783 bolthead is so much Savage I wonder how come Savage ain't crying foul. Here is a photo with a 700 on the left and a 783 on the right,  They must have figured out the Savage extractor was better then the 700s or they just followed Marlins lead. Now the back of the bolt is more Remy,  There is also a groove cut in the extractor side bolt lug that Linebaugh mentioned on both the Marlin and Remy. Overall dimensions are pretty close between the Marlin and the Savage but since the Marlin doesn't use a front baffle the holes for the crosspin are a bit different.   You have to remember the Marlin XL7 was released just before Remington bought them out. Remington doubled the size of the Maysville, KY plant to move production there which delayed the release of the short action version, the XS7. The Marlin trigger was basicly a worked over Accutrigger and on the 783 Remington calls it Crossfire and on Marlin rifles they call it the Profire. They look the same to me, maybe the Dragnet thing, "the names are changed to protect the innocent". The original Axis had a pretty crappy trigger and Savage has now upped the game a bit with the Axis II now having a Accutrigger. |
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Post by jims on Feb 28, 2015 17:51:16 GMT -5
Good info and photos.
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Post by rossman40 on Mar 1, 2015 10:17:29 GMT -5
I was just told that like the Marlin, the barrel threads are the same as a Savage small shank and the barrel nut splines are the same so a Savage barrel nut wrench will work.
The action screw spacing is different from a 700 and then to top it off Remington used the same 1/4-32 threads as the Marlinon the action screws. Maybe because that's a carry over from the model 70 the Ruger 77 was copied from or it lets them get $11 a screw and a hardened 1/4-32 screw is rare so they are the only game in town.
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Post by dannoboone on Mar 1, 2015 13:03:13 GMT -5
Ken, I might be all wet, but believe I have seen hardened
1/4-32 screws at a farm store. They aren't in a package
hanging on pegs like so many others, but in one of the
drawers where they keep the "odd-ball" stuff.
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