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Post by Turk06 on Feb 18, 2015 10:19:18 GMT -5
I bought a Pac Nor .45 SS barrel fitted with a Pete's .45 ACP BP for my Rem 700 SA CF (LH) but when I received it - it has a smaller thread for the Rem 700 ML. I am in Canada so shipping it back is a problem not to mention the wait time. The gunsmith doing the barrel swap says he can make a barrel nut to make it work. What I want to know is - is this acceptable? Safe for smokeless? Safe for sabotless loads? Has anyone done this before? Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 10:41:05 GMT -5
The rem ml has he same threads but a longer tenon than the cf rifles. Maybe post a picture to show what you're talking about. If pacnor messed it up they should be willing to send you the correct one and let you keep the junker since shipping back is troublesome.
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Post by Turk06 on Feb 19, 2015 9:39:16 GMT -5
There is only one PacNor barrel distributor in Canada and they are in BC. I originally ordered the barrel (.45 cal, #7 contour, 30") in Dec of 2013 for a Rem 700 SA LH with a Pete's .45 ACP breech plug, hardened .250 recoil lug and fluted - 25" finished length with drop for swage (or so I thought). They said no problem but it would be 9 months to get so I paid the $500.00 deposit and waited. When I called them last September, they had no idea what I was talking and had no records of the order! But about but 7 days after that, a 30" PacNor barrel showed up with no breech plug. Mine was supposed to be fluted but this one wasn't. So, we talked about it and agreed that we could probably make this one work and they would do the additional machining. He ordered and received the BP from Pete (last month). Then last week I got an email about the thread size saying that it is for a 700 ML rather than the 700 SA but "no big deal" because the smith can manufacture a nut in order to mount the barrel properly and at no extra cost. So maybe not smaller thread size but not for a 700 SA. Hence, my post. I don't have any pictures. Not sure if I should/can continue.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 9:48:19 GMT -5
as Cole said the CF 700 and Ml action have the same thread size but the length is different, if its for a ML action he would have to cut it down to work. are you sure its not for a Savage action? No way I would use a barrel nut on a Remington action but thats just me. as Cole said post up some pictures so we can get a visual on the situation..
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Post by Richard on Feb 19, 2015 11:52:08 GMT -5
I saw where there is an outfit threading barrels for Remington CF's and made to use a barrel nut. The problem with that is Remington's don't have a floating bolt head and alignment of the barrel to the bolt could leave a lot to be desired; that is why Remington has a shoulder on their barrels.
You would definitely want a pretty close barrel tenon thread to action thread fit to keep the two in line since the recoil lug will serve no purpose other than keeping the action from sliding rearward. The barrel nut will just keep everything tight.
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Post by Turk06 on Feb 20, 2015 9:56:53 GMT -5
I got 2 pictures from the distributor and it looks like the correct thread size however, the tenon is quite long. Tried to add pictures but after 2 hours downloading had to give up. There is definitely a shoulder on the barrel.
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Post by picks on Feb 20, 2015 11:11:18 GMT -5
That sounds like the same guy in BC that my brother in law ordered from and then wouldn't take his calls. Something fishy there. I would see if he even ordered it from PAC. When my brother in law phoned PAC they had no record of a gun ordered from the guy in BC with his specs.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Feb 20, 2015 12:24:53 GMT -5
As sad as it might be. And as long as it might take. I would demand my money back and find another route. This is going the route of ...Monkeys and Footballs....if you know what I mean.
Drop
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Post by jeff on Feb 20, 2015 19:44:59 GMT -5
This is going the route of ...Monkeys and Footballs....if you know what I mean. Drop Are you referring to the Seahawks  |
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 20, 2015 21:41:13 GMT -5
OK, it sounds like you have a .458 barrel made for the
700ml, but needed one made for a short action 700cf,
correct?
There are guys on the Savage Shooters board who order
barrels for the Rem 700 in which the tenon is over
length for the purpose of using a barrel nut. (Think
switch barrel.) I do not know the length of the
threading on these over length tenons specifically
designed for use with a barrel nut, but if they are
close to the length yours is, trued barrel nuts can
be had from Jim Briggs at Northland Shooters Supply.
He would know the tenon length needed to incorporate
a barrel nut.
If you can get used to the idea of a barrel nut on a
Remington 700, it is very possible your project will
turn out to be a good rifle/shooter. Sounds like the
alternative would be a very long wait.
One advantage of a barrel nut is head spacing a barrel
is much easier. There are times when I have switched
breech plugs which required a different head spacing
depth. Pretty easy with the barrel nut system.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 21:50:15 GMT -5
In my opinion you need to find out first if your barrel is chambered for a savage or Dave d plug. If it is chambered for the Dave d plug it needs to be fixed. The Dave d plug is around 1.200" long and the 700ml tenon is 1.800" that leaves the entire breechplug in the 1.0625" tenon and that's not a great thing for sure. You are probably gonna have to get the barrel from the smith to figure this out.
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Post by jeff on Feb 20, 2015 22:06:49 GMT -5
One advantage of a barrel nut is head spacing a barrel is much easier. There are times when I have switched breech plugs which required a different head spacing depth. Pretty easy with the barrel nut system. A barrel nut on a Remington would be so much easier to head space,than the usual. I much prefer the savage to build for that reason alone. Go with the nut and don't look back. jeff~ |
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Post by Turk06 on Dec 23, 2015 18:18:43 GMT -5
So, after I told them that the tenon needs to be shortened and the breech plug re-cut, they did nothing for 8 months. It has a Dave d plug so to shoot it with a barrel nut would not be comforting to me but that is all they are willing to do. They got a "PacNut" from PacNor but I don't think/know if that will work with this barrel as it has a shoulder and it is quite hefty (ugly). Do any of you guys know a SML gunsmith in Canada? Or a way I can get mine to one of you, legally. This project has been a disaster from the start and all I want is a left handed SML. It's time to pull the plug but not sure what to do now.
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Post by charles on Dec 23, 2015 18:43:13 GMT -5
Did you try cesial epp he is in Canada they sell the percision dead center bullets his cf conversion is almost like the Dave d plug
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Post by Turk06 on Dec 23, 2015 19:08:59 GMT -5
Yes, I called him a few months back. He will not do any work other than on his own GM M Z barrels as he does not believe in sabot less MLs nor using rifle (.458") barrels. He basically told me to go pound salt! Not interested. I could send my action there and have a 45 cal M Z barrel mated but it is 1:28 twist. I'll see if there are any other options before going that route but thanks for the reply.
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Post by smokeeter on Dec 23, 2015 19:28:01 GMT -5
All is not lost , if you got a barrel and breech plug intended for an ML action then pick up a donor 700 ML (you will have to get a Hunters bolt nose kit tho) and fit your parts to that. It's not a big deal not being a LH action since muzzleloading is a single shot application, you can get a left handed stock for a right handed action and still have an acceptable rifle.
Where in Ontario are you, and who do you have doing the work?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 19:50:29 GMT -5
Just come on down to Ohio for a hunt and bring it with you.
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