How I became a missionary.

[huntingmike]

This is a continuation of my testimony from my previous thread.
After my encounter with the baptism of The Holy Ghost my many years of theology were not according to what I had experienced that night. I went to my house and began reading the bible for the first time without denominational blinders.
There is a fire that burns in my spirit for God that will not be quenched. Many months I prayed, read, and worshiped asking God to show me what I was to do.
One Sunday morning while listening to a message of Elijah and Elisha and praying in the spirit in church. I asked the Lord to show me His Glory and immediately he took me out of the building. I found myself in his hand high in the air looking down a valley packed with people shoulder to shoulder as far as I could see. Suddenly the Power Of God swept through that valley like a wave of glory and I could see eyes formed where there were no eyes and arms and legs formed where there were no arms and legs. Crutches flying through the air and some how I knew in my spirit that everyone in that valley was healed. I began screaming to the Glory Of God. What happened next is to me the most incredible thing to explain. As The Lord's hand turned to the beginning of that valley I saw there was a platform, microphone stands, and there I stood. I knew in my spirit immediately that the valley was a real place and that I must find it. I began weeping and continued to scream for the Glory Of God over what I had seen. I then found myself back in my seat at church unable to control myself. When the service ended a lady that I had never met came to me while I was sitting and said," God told me to come to this church and someone would pray for me and I would be healed and you are him." After what I had just seen in the vision I reached out and took her hand to pray for her and the Power Of God went down my arm and through my hand into her. It felt like a bolt of lightening and she cried out, " I'm healed I'm healed." I found out latter she was healed from what doctors call the incurable kind of hepatitis c.
Every time I go to a new place I look for that valley I call," THE VALLEY OF MIRACLES."For it is burned into my inward being and I know it is the call of God for my life. I also know there are many who are unable to believe in the Power Of God like I just shared.
I can only speak of what I have seen and I am willing to share it even if I am ridiculed for the truth. I am sharing only small inserts at a time of the things I have truly experienced to make it easier to read. I hope only to be a blessing and to testify of the Mighty Power Of God.
IHS
Rev. Mike

[ozark]

You wrote: After my encounter with the baptism of The Holy Ghost..." I have heard others mention this and ask what you mean by that. As for the claimed miracles, there have been many such claims and I am of the opinion that many are untrue. I ask are there any documented cases of these in your case? Pardon me if I appear to be a disbeliever but was Thomas not a doubter? Is it not human to question and to doubt until there is evidence of proof? Don't assume that I am asking questions to develop an argument. I am meerly asking if evidence other than testimony exists?

[huntingmike]

The baptism of The Holy Ghost is what happened to the 120 who were gathered in the upper room waiting for the promise of the comforter. When Jesus said to wait until you be endowed with power from on high. It is what happened to the gentiles when Peter was led to go to Cornelius and his family. Peter said it is given to the gentiles just like us when he reported back to the church at Jerusalem. It is what paul said it could be misused in a church service but he went on to say, "I speak in toungues more than you all." Not only speak in it but pray in it and sing in it. And he is responsable for 2/3 of the New Testament.

Just because you do not have it do not think it is not real like I used to do.

Yes there are names of real people here in TN., Africa, Brazil and India that have received miracles. There are many more that I do not know their names because there are so many of them I do not even ask their names anymore.
Oh ye of little faith.
I know there are those who are counterfiet who are after your money. But do not let your faith be stolen from you because of them.

I want nothing from you. I just want to tell you how THE POWER OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD is real.

Be blessed in the name of Jesus,
Rev. Mike

[ozark]

You are evading my questions and making claims without proof. If a person has cancer, aids or is HIV positive, is blind or missing one or more limbs that is a matter of a medical record somewhere. They are probably drawind disability from the government. Are there people who were legally blind who now have 20 20 vision, driving without glasses and no longer gets disability benefits because a miracle has occured? You say there are names of real people there in TN. All people in TN have names and are real. Please don't confuse my lack of faith in your story with a lack of faith in the Almighty God. If your stories are true then it would be a great service to God and Christians to sujpply medical records that reflect that a miracle has occured. There must be a special place in Hell for those who are hypocrits and making false and unprovable claims. I have zero doubts about the power of the Almighty God. The question is in my faith in man. Oh ye of little proof. What a mighty service it would be to God should you bring fourth medical proof of your claims. Your message could provide hope for those in dire need of a miracle. Is such hope justified by records or is it false hope without anything other than utterances from the mouths of people like yourself? Man can proclalim that they seen snowflakes as black as the Ace of Spades drifting upward toward the heavens but saying so doesn't make it fact. I challenge you to do the greatest of services and bring fourth solid medical proof of these claims. Ozark

[huntingmike]

Ozark,
Please read used as never before post. The names are real and the church is real and the people have their own medical records. I have left out the complete last names because of privacy issues. I have not asked them if I can put their names on the internet. They have telephone numbers and if you send me a pm with your phone number I can but ask them to call you. I have the people what more proof do you need? How many must you talk to? I have hundreds of pictures of Africa, Brazil, and India. I can give you the phone # of Dr. Rev. Allan R.. who lives in India who is a retired university professor who was my interpreter while in India. How much proof Ozark? You say you want proof. I challenge you to get on your knees and just ask the Holy Spirit who can bear witness to the truth if you know him.
The lost man in hell asked that proof be sent back to his family. Abraham said they would not believe if one rose from the dead. How much proof do you need?
My wife was told she had a tumor in her right breast found in a mamogram before we went to Brazil the last time. I asked her what she wanted to do because she had gone through cancer twice before on the left side. Her reply was to wait until we came back from our trip. I prayed for her while we were in the crusade. When we returned we went for her biopsey and they could not find the tumor at all to biopsey. What do I do Ozark put my wife's records on the internet. If you are not going to believe you can say they are fake. I have people and their word. Do you want to talk to my wife? How about Marjie R...... who had lukemia and after prayer went back to the DR. for tests and was declared healed. How much proof?
Your servant,
Rev. Mike

[ozark]

The doctor you mentioned is not a medical doctor. What proof is needed is not just for me but for giving credit to the Almighty God. You are offfering as proof hearsay which isn't accpetable. Until evidence from a team of medical doctors shows documented evidence that a person had a milegnant cancer that disappeared from Xrays after you offered prayer I will have to consider it fake. Or some other serious ailment.
I am familiar with the ourpouring of the Holy Ghost written in Acts. I am also familiar of what St Paul said about speaking in tongues. He said that he would rather speak one word that was understood than ten thousand that wasn't (or words to that effect) Also, it is mentioned that if talking in toungs occurs let there be an interputer and let it be for edification of the church. You did not answer when or how you were baptized with the Holy Ghost. Was it when you had that vision?
God is not the author of confusion and confusion surfaces when we say that he said that she said the doctor said.
Now, permit me to explain why I am a doubter. We have the Benny Hins, the Oral Roberts and others on the Television asking for people to send money for a prayer clothe that has been prayed over by so and so and that will bring about healing of any desease. Then we have Mothers and Fathers withholding children from competent medical care because they have been led to believe that God will heal them. My opposition isn't about you as an individual but about what is being spread in the name of God for the root of all evil. I will not bother you further because you have nothing of value to offer me. Thanks for your replies. They tell me all I need to know. I do wish you well. Ozark

[huntingmike]

Ozark,
All of the gospel is hear say under your definition. I only offered the man's title of Dr. Rev. because that is his credential. Not in reference to a medical term but because he was there with me in India.

I could only request that the people who are healed give medical records. Most probably would. I have not yet. I thought just hearing some ones testimony would be enough. When a person is crippled he is crippled weather a DR. says so or not. Most of the miracles happened in third world countries where there are no Doctors. I have given some of the few that happened in TN. I have offered to let them call you.

I believe a person should be given at least the courtesy of being believed truthful until he is proved a lier. I know what I say is extremely hard to believe but that does not keep it from being true.

I have met many like you and I know like Thomas you will have to put your hand in his side. But the Lord scolded him for his unbelief.
I have offered my testimony to all who read this. I did not have to and I knew that most would not believe.

As far as when the baptism of the Holy Ghost came to me read the post titled I am sorry and it will tell you in detail.

Paul talked about ten thousand words of understanding in church.
You are out of church more than you are in. Read it all and you will find that he that prays in an unnone tongue prays unto God. Is that not who we are suppose to pray to? Paul said to pray in the Spirit and the understanding also. Those are two distinct ways to pray.You will find that he that prays in tongue edifies himself. The definition of edify means to strengthen, build up, make strong, to teach to instruct. It seems foolish to man but it is God's way of empowering his believers. The reason the people are divided is because they are using their own strength instead of the Power of The Holy Spirit. You mention needing an interpreter when speaking in tongues in the church. I personal have been able to interpret languages 4 different times through the Holy Spirit when in church. If they do not in your church they are not completely following Paul's order of service. Maybe the Holy Spirit is not there?

Ozark I used to feel like you until the FIRE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT came upon me. I can not be discouraged because of people like you do not believe. I have been given great gifts. I will write of my experience. I hope you keep reading even though you do not believe. You may think I am a false preacher but I can guarantee when we are with the Lord Of Heaven He will give you the proof you say you must have.

He who speaks the truth,
Rev. Mike

[dougedwards]

In light of the fact that scripture tells us that in the end times there will be demons parading around as angels of light........and in light of the fact that Jesus said that there will be people who will be turned away from the kingdom of heaven who have actually called Jesus their "Lord" and have done great miracles in His name.......I have an understanding of the skepticism of Ozark.

It is rather obvious that if we are to worship the Living God in Spirit and in Truth that we have the responsibility to test all spirits. With the Jim Jones, Jim Bakers, Ted Haggards and Jimmy Swaggarts making the headline news as believers who were in charge of "divine" instruction of other believers, it is not only natural to be skeptical but it is also required. Satan is the master of deception and is a very powerful spiritual force of this age.

With that being said, I have no doubts about anything that has been revealed concerning the life Pastor Mike. But I wouldn't bet my salvation on the absolute truth of any of it. I do know that the scriptures says that the Spirit who lives within the saved believer, knows the groanings of our hearts and is able to pray for us when we feel inadequate to express the words. I also know that I have experienced this phenomenon.

God is able to heal and does but God doesn't appear to be consistent. We scratch our heads and wonder what is real and what is fantasy. However I have faith that God is good and to some that faith may appear to be "blind faith".

For those who desire to testify of the miracles that God has provided for them in their life.......they must be prepared for the skepticism. We live in a world that involves much deception. There are spiritual things that go on around us that are undetected by our fives senses. We, as humans have a tendency to desire to verify things via our senses that God has given us. I do feel that it would be foolish of us to assume that we are able to detect all things contained within the universe with these same limited senses. However, that doesn't prevent people from compelling that all things be verified though what they can see, smell, feel, taste and hear.

Doug

[Buckrub]

The Bible tells me the age of miracles is over. I will believe in them when you can show me you can 'heal or cure' a double amputee, or raise one from the dead, or feed 5,000 with a few fish, or cure blindness.

Till then.........it's just too easy to fake curing headaches and folks supposedly on crutches and internal problems and anxiety and such. You folks do NOT have the gift that the Apostles had. The purpose of the miracles is plainly given in the Bible.....it was simply to confirm the word, because the word had not been written or complete yet. They had to PROVE they were telling the truth from God. We are warned, repeatedly by God, to be wary of false prophets. False prophets are those who make claims that are contrary to the Bible or which can't be proven. The Egyptian magicians failed in front of Moses though they convinced many, as did the Witch of Endor, or the prophets of Baal. II Thess 2:9 COMMANDS me to be wary of false prophets with wild claims.

I don't doubt your sincerity. I will stand before My God on judgment with a clean conscience that I believe in Him and His power, and never that of any man. I am convinced he will ensure we all know who is powerful on that day.

Thomas put his hand into a hole in Jesus' side. Show me the hole. Thomas believed. He had proof.

Once the original word was done and complete, miracles were over. We have the word in completeness. That's what we are to use and rely on. By the way, I don't use the word "miracle" as related to such things as birth, etc. I understand the use of the word that way, but by "miracle" I mean the suspension of Natural God-given Laws.

Ephesians 4:4 says there is only ONE Baptism....and it's not the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, that was once delivered as needed to confirm the word.

I'd think that if you are telling the truth, that proof would be easy to do, easy to come by, there's SO many that you say are healed. Do it in front of a crowd, but do it to a double amputee or raise one from the dead. If the miracles are real, you'll have NO trouble, like Elijah, to get God to do as you ask and we'll all believe and things will be great. But if you fail, and can't........then you'll have to admit we are the ones vindicated.

Let me know where to go to see this.

AGain, I do not doubt your sincerity one bit, nor your general goodness. I"m sure you are feeding many and doing much good work. I am just telling you my beliefs.

[ozark]

Who is funding these trips to far away places? If what you are claiming is true then why not let it be a greaat work for God? Why not make believers out of everyone who witnesses these great events. You stated that you thought just telling about it would be enough. that is as foolish as it gets. Most all the people you are telling it to thinks it is a scam with some gain in it for youself. Buckrub and I live close together. I will pay him to take me to see your proof. and BTW, I have COPD and on oxygen. I would love to be cured. But then I would guess that you would claim that I had to believe you in order to be healed. Oh my my, how I would love to walk even a couple hundred yards without being so out of breath I can't hardly make it. Cure me and I will spread positive medical proof including zrays and Doctors records all over the country. Ozark

[dougedwards]

Jun 4, 2009 8:47:55 GMT -5 Buckrub said:

The purpose of the miracles is plainly given in the Bible.....it was simply to confirm the word, because the word had not been written or complete yet. They had to PROVE they were telling the truth from God.
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<snip>

I find that to be a very interesting statement. I would like to see biblical references for it. I, like yourself, believe in the infallibility of the Holy Scriptures. But Jesus did scoff at those who demanded miracles as proof. In fact Jesus uses some extremely strong language by saying to the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who asked for a miraculous sign to prove to them who Jesus was "A wicked and adulterous generation requires a miraculous sign but none will be given to you." Matthew 12:39.

Three times King David speaks of the Holy Spirit in the Psalms. The New Testament is riddled with direct commands to ask of God that which we cannot do for ourselves. James 5:16 says "Confess your sins to one another and pray for each other so that you may be healed"

Matthew 7: 9-12
9"Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

" But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Jesus will also raise your mortal bodies through the same Spirit who is now dwelling within you." Romans 8:11

I could go on and on with scriptures that give clear evidence that the Holy Spirit is required in the hearts and souls of all Christian believers for empowerment. I would like to see just one piece of scriptural evidence that the work of the Holy Spirit was completed when the Holy Canon was completed. It is possible that I have misunderstood your context completely but I can say that I have never seen any biblical reference from which I might conclude that the power of the Holy Spirit withdrew from men after the Bible in its totality was completed.

Doug

[huntingmike]

Doug,
I to know the scriptures about false prophets. I say to you those who are anti Christ and who will have power to do mighty things to deceive. Do so to turn people away from the Lord. You mentioned some; Jim Jones etc.
I only give glory to God, His Son Jesus, and The Holy Spirit. I have no right to any fame or glory and I do not want it. I can not heal any one. That is the Holy Spirit's job. I have no control over Him. I am just a servant. He uses as He wills and sometimes when I ask Him He manifests His Glory. I am not false. I have given my whole life to him. I do not know why He chose me but I am glad He did.

I am glad you know about intersessional groanings of the Spirit. I will point out here that there are according to:1 Cor. 12:10 "divers kinds of tongues" (1)Romans 8:26 intersessional groanings. (2)1 Cor. 14:4 personal edification.(3)1 Cor. 14:5 tongues with interpreting for edification of the church.

As far as verification is concerned, people here in the local churches I have ministered in know what the Lord is doing in my life and I have their approval and support.

Buckrub,
I do not know what bible you are reading from. My bible says in John 14:12 Verily, verily I say unto you. He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. (13) And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the son. (14) If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
I am a believer. Everything I ask or do is always in The Name Of Jesus. And I always give Him the praise.
You say it is over and we do not have gifts. Paul said in 1 Cor. 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren I would not have you ignorant. ( There are a lot of ignorant people about this.)
Read all 11 verses please. I will continue with 1 Cor. 12: 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to ever man to profit withal. (8) For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; (10) To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another the discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: (11) But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 1 Cor. 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts. I qualify as an everyman because He has given to me severally of the gifts. Because I sought them praying on my face in The Holy Ghost four over 4 months day and long nights only leaving my house to go to church. I am a blessed man!
You also quoted Ephesians 4:4 wrong. It goes like this. (4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling. (Do you see that capitol S in Spirit? That represents The Holy Spirit.) (5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism. Do you see that little b in baptism? It represents water baptism an outward work to show that you are in the body.
You say "to do it" in front of a crowd. I do and I want to tell you about it. But you guys are keeping me busy with this post.
Vindication. Who cares about vindication? That would be me saying I told you so. And I do not want to do offend even though I am right. Love you!

Ozark,
You ask who is funding the trips. My wife and I do as well as some of my family. The local churches I go into. Then some of the people who are healed. Example one lady who God healed her daughter's clubbed foot gave a check for $500 dollars. One man who's eyes that were clouded with cataracts and was healed gave $8,000. I have not taken any money for myself. All money given is put in a separate account and used only for expenses for traveling and setting up the crusades. I make good money on my job in a fiberglass factory. My wife is a school teacher. All of our children are grown. We live modestly from the living we earn. I have made some good investments. At least they were better until I lost $60,000 in the stock market. The other investments are in land and they are not making anymore of that.
What I am claiming is a great work of God. I have no control over it. All I do is pray and God does it. Everyone I pray for does not get healed. It is just that I have prayed for many more that do get healed. Those are the ones I am telling about. Don't you understand I can not heal. I do not take the credit when God heals. And I hope I am not to blame when he does not. I am just a man. I bleed if you cut me. My feelings are hurt if you call me a false prophet. I have been given the opportunity to be used of God in ways most can not understand. If it was what I could do I would heal this left knee of mine that has been operated on 3 times in the last 4 years. I am now scheduled to have it replaced the 29 of this month. I do not know why He will not heal it. I know I have prayed for more than 5o knees to be healed over the years and God has healed them. If he heals mine I will have pictures to show of another miracle. Maybe this is my thorn in the flesh to keep me from being exalted.
You and all who read this may think it is a scam. I have kept no money for myself or mine nor will I even though a laborer is worthy of his hire. And I have a right if I want to but I would rather be a giver not a taker. A semi truck hit my little pick up truck a few years back and I received an out of court settlement for $248,000. I do not need your money. And I will not become like those on TV who trick people out of their money if my life depended on it. So how am I scamming you?
I promise those who have been in the services with me and see how God heals the different people know it to be the truth.
I hope to get to tell you of the crusades soon so that all can have something else not to believe.
I would love for God to heal you Ozark and I know He can and you and Buckrub are welcome to go on any crusade overseas or to any service I am ministering in here. I have even seen God heal in home gatherings for worship when there were no more than 20 people there. I prayed for a women who was on oxygen and she was healed in her aunt's home with 25 people there.
I will say it was Jesus who said, "As your faith is so be it unto you." The only time He The Lord could not do many miracles was in a place where they doubted him. His own home town.
Matthew 13:54 through 58. If you are to be cured it will be through the Name Of Jesus Of Nazareth. The word of God says by his stripes we are healed.

The only thing I am getting out of these postings besides your accusations is the desire that you will believe God's word and your faith might grow to where you will believe all things are possible to them that believe. Nothing that I have said is false. Everything I have seen and testified to is true. I have only just started posting on what the Lord has allowed me to see. I have not even got to the big stuff yet. I do not think you can handle it.
If you allow me I will post on my first trip to Africa tomorrow.
Even though most do not believe I still love you though I have never met any of you.
I H S
Rev. Mike Believer

[ozark]

Rev. Mike Believer this is Doubting Thomas. Over and OUT..
Amen and AMEN.

[dougedwards]

It seems that the postings and posters of this thread are like a microcosm of Christian society in America. Every facet of faith in our country holds claim to know the TRUTH but yet they all can't agree on what that TRUTH is. If that isn't bad enough, those who hold the claims of this special knowledge usually isolate themselves from those who disagree with them....and vise versa.

I am sure that there are those who peek into this forum who never participate with the discussion but are only curious as to the dialog of Christian men. Think about that. What impression do we make when we engage in finger pointing and criticism of others.......all in the name of TRUTH?

I am not pointing a finger but only asking a question. Do we have a commandment to isolate ourselves from those who don't share all of our views? Are we not to present our lives as living sacrifices to each other in love?

I used to be an unbeliever and I can tell you that Christians fueled my unbelief. All Christians claimed to know TRUTH but yet they fought about exactly what that truth is. I came to assume that if I ever stumbled across the TRUTH that it wouldn't be from any help from those people called Christians. Christians seemed to hold to the same treasures as everyone else. They only masked it differently. Pride, self righteousness and indignation were the motivating forces behind Christian faith, I thought........until the Spirit of God showed up and humbled me to the point that I knew that the real TRUTH lies within the fact that God is God.....and I am not.

The very last commandment from Jesus to His disciples was this:

"This is my last command to you. Love one another as I have loved you. No one can give greater proof of love than by laying down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command you. I do not any more call you `servants'; for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you `friends,' for all things that I have learned from my Father I have told you. It was not you who chose me, but I have chosen you, and appointed you to go and bear fruit that shall last, so that the Father may give you whatever you ask in my name. "

Should we do otherwise?

Doug

[ozark]

It would indeed be nice if professing Christians could agree and reverse the trend of separating themselves from each other. Seldom do we hear from the mouths of the healed but always from the supposed Christian who has the gift of healing. In our country are countless thousands of reporters who would relish reporting a provable case of divine healing.
If a blind person is given sight doctors familiar with the fact would be on their knees first and then proclaiming to the world that a miracle has occured. I think it is healthy to avoid being deceived by false teachings and fakers. I trust the Holy spirit to lead me as to what is right and what is wrong. If I get a strong feeling that I am reading or listening to a fake I am going to heed that feeling. If there is a Holy Spirit the guidance is a likely product. It is fine to say we believe but sometimes it is better to say we disbelieve. If the Holy spirit had been advising and people were listening and heeding then the Jim Jones affair would not have occured. It is a fearsome thing to believe in man. Just my honest opinion that I fully expect to take to my grave. My own faith is strong but not in men. Man will deceive for personal glory, recognition, fame, money, acceptance and for even getting a wife. I advise myself constantly to be careful where I am led.
This discussion brings to light a great truth that to discuss religion or politics is sure to bring discord. Ozark

[huntingmike]

All scripture though inspired by God is written by man. Those who preach today are men. Who ever told you about Jesus is a man or woman. Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? (4) God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome them when thou art judged.

I am being judged by what I am saying. Every thing I have testified to is according to the promise of Word Of God. I can not help how you feel or believe. I am saying the WORD OF GOD is true. Take your feelings up with him.

What few isolated scriptures taken out of context you might find can not compare to the complete Gospels or the Book Of Acts. Or the even little Book of Jude verse 20: But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost.
If you can not pray in the Holy Ghost you are not obeying the word of God. How dare you judge me for the truth when you do not know it.

I stand on what I have received from The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Forgiveness, sonship and Power. It is for all who will believe and only them. It is up to you if you reject Him totally. It is up to you if you stop at only forgiveness and sonship. It is up to you to ask him for The Holy Spirit.

Luke 11:5 through 12 Is preached a lot about getting what you want and to keep on asking until you get it. The man a sleep with his family and his friend knocks on the door and asks to borrow bread. It says the man kept pleading until his friend gave in. Verse 9: Ask, and it shall be given to you; seek and you shall find;knock and it shall be opened to you.(10) For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened unto you.(11) If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish give him a serpent? (12) Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? ( They leave out the whole purpose and meaning of it all when they leave out verse 13.)
(13) If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
It is all about a son receiving form The Heavenly Father THE HOLY SPIRIT and to keep pleading until you get it!!!!!
Tell me what deception you find in that?

He that has believed and received,
Rev. Mike

[ozark]

You say that you have received the Holy Ghost. Why your zeal to convince others of this experience? Some will not judge at all, others will judge you as being truthful and sitll others will disbelieve your claim. You quote the Bible in what appears to be an effort to prove that you have received the Holy Ghost. Who could know but you? It is possible to believe the scriptures and disbelieve your claims. I believe that it is reasonable for all to ask for proof because as you quoted "but every man a liar." If what you claim is true then a hundred thousand disbelievers would not change it. If God has given you the gift of healing in His name the let that light shine for all to see. Let it be tested and proven.

[Buckrub]

Mike, those statements were given to inspired Apostles, and those to whom they directly laid hands to give these gifts, not you. Their purpose was to CONFIRM THE WORD, which occurred, is over, is past. You don't need to confirm the Word, I have it in its completeness. Mark 16:20. And I do most everything religiously "In the Holy Ghost". However, I believe I understand that phrase. It just means that the Holy Ghost fulfilled his mission to inspire the writers of the Bible and give us God's Holy Word. So, I follow the Bible and thus am "in the Holy Ghost" as best I can be. There are no miracles left. Just because one had them once long ago is no proof all do.

I am only doing what God told me to do:

I John 4:1
Galatians 6:4
I Thessalonians 5:21
I Cor 11: 12-16

and yes, this post is why men say "I won't discuss religion or politics". Of course, any man who says that......I have always believed there are no two greater things to discuss than these. But they do bring discord. If I loved you less, I'd ignore you. If I love you more, I try to convert you. I don't run away and don't expect the world to agree with me. But I do expect the world to try and agree with God's Word.

You have a lot of words. But you fail to do what is required to confirm YOUR word. You fail to bring one back from the dead, or cure/heal a double amputee, in front of a crowd of impartial witnesses. Just do that, and we will believe. Don't do that, and I have to conclude what your source is, regardless of your words.

If you have the power you say, you have the power to change BILLIONS of lives. You could wipe out Islam in a week. You could convert all the atheists. Would you? Or is it just your words?

And by the way, I'm done arguing with you on this forum. IM or Email me and I'll discuss this forever. But it is not proper to continue to hog the spotlight nor to take up space given for everyone.

[huntingmike]

Ozark,
No amount of disbelievers will change The Truth. I have the proof of many witnesses. When I stand to preach it is confirmed by the demonstration of The Holy Spirit because I preach The Truth as The Holy Spirit leads. I am letting the light shine as I am led of The Holy Spirit. I will post where I have been. They will be lengthy posts. It has been tested before thousands. That is why I have a zeal to share. Using this forum I can only write of what The Lord has done and of The Truth of Scripture. You must be with me to experience it.

Buckrub,
I am sorry for you that you are limited in your knowledge of all the scripture. If it was as you say completed then the word of God failed. The original 12 did not go into all nations or to the end of the world. Paul went farther than most. Speaking of Paul had the bible stopped when you refer to. Then Matthias the man made apostle would have been the 12th and no more but Jesus called Saul of Tarsus in his time. How do we know this because The Holy Spirit confirmed it with signs and wonders.
You have referred to 1 John 4:1 about trying spirits whether they are of God. Please read the next verse 1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
That is what I confess that is what I preach and that is why He confirms it by the signs and wonders following me.


St. John 17: 1 through 26 is the prayer he prayed for his believers. (20) Is where He included us. Quote: Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word.. (21) That they may all be one; as thou, Father art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. (22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

Galatians 6:4 You refer to is what I am doing.
1 Thess. 5:21 You refer to is what I am trying to do but your hardness of heart will not let you believe.
1 Cor. 11: 12 through 16 refers to the custom of head coverings and hair length. I do not understand your intent on referring to that one.
As far the post is concerned I have had a lot of things to say.

I end today with this. II Corinthians 3: For as much as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshly tables of the heart.

Definition of epistle: One of the letters included as a book in the New Testament.
We are there for required to be a living part of the written word of God not limited to a religious box. That divides the living church of The Almighty God.

With Love In Jesus Name,
Rev. Mike

[Buckrub]

I don't honestly believe you have any idea whatsoever what part of the world the original apostles went to. Almost none of them are even mentioned other than naming them in a list. It is that kind of emphatic statement that is based on nothing that continues to lead me to disbelief.

I have asked you about ten times.........with no answer.......to prove your abilities to an impartial crowd by raising one from the dead.........and you will not. Thus, I believe I am indeed proving the spirits. You vastly misunderstand I John 4:2 because James 2:19 says that Devils also confess their belief in one God.....that's just not enough.

You say He confirms your words by signs. Just give me one. But it better be real, not some hokey crutch throwing, headache curing, head popping deal. Just raise someone from the dead in front of impartial witnesses. Then the problem is solved. Till then, I feel a requirement to let this be my last post on the matter.

I pray for you, and me, a sinner.

[huntingmike]

Buckrub,
There is a book called Fox's book of martyrs that tells history's account of how and where the Apostles were slain. I have it some where but I have not seen it since we have moved to our new home.

I keep telling you of what I have seen the Lord do. It is for His Glory. I have no right to any praise and I do not want it. Please read the post: Used like never before. You will read of some of the things I have seen God do. It is just the beginning and I am going to post more. I have not seen him raise the dead YET! But I have seen Him do just about every thing else and I am amazed at what I have seen. If you read what is to come and still do not believe that is your right.

In reference to:
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
It says nothing about the devil's confessions only what they know to be true. They know it is true because they were kicked out of heaven.

1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
(16) And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
(17) Here in is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
(18) There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear; because fear has torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

I have never loved him any more than I do now. I love you even though we have never met and have extreme differences in what the scripture means. I will accept you as a brother because you say Jesus is your Lord. I know what I have experienced. I know the Power of The Holy Spirit. The only concern I have is. I do not want to fall short of the plan of God for my life. And have Him disappointed in me.

As far as having to bring one back from the dead just to prove to you what I say is real. I have no control over The Holy Spirit but if He ever does raise one from the dead when I am there. I will try to be sure and let you know.

I want all of you to understand I am not the only one God is using this way. I have seen God use others in their own gifts.
The Pentecostal churches here see miracles happen in their churches. This is not a new thing. It is only new to me.

May you prosper as your soul prospers,
Rev. Mike

[ozark]

What a great service it would be to God if you would gather together reporters, Doctors and some professional people to witness even one of the miracles which you claim to perform in the name of God. The path you are taking is nothing more than lip service and to go off to some foriegn country that speaks a different language and where it may be natural to put on a show just to become the center of attraction is folly. A fool is known by their multitude of words and it is far more benefitual to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubts.
If a person doesn't believe the Bible you can't prove it is true by quoting from it. If I kill a trophy Buck deer showing the knife I claim to have used to cut its throat is not proof anyone would believe. If fact, it would create disbelief.
A preacher in the pulpit preaching has a captive audience. He can speak without fear of someone standing up and calling him a liar. People sit there and say AMEN or think OHME and there are no debate. On this forum you are getting some feedback that you are not used to and you are not handling it well. It is not nice to deceive people or to lead them down a path filled with hearsay.
If you are not a fake lets create a situation that will remove doubts. I am a real person with an incurable desease (COPD). I have friends who are in the business of reporting news. I have other friends who are doctors holding records of patients who are in dire need of getting out of wheel chairs, or having a set of useable legs. I can set up a situation that will either make Gods work known nation wide or expose you as a self promotional fake. Put up or keep on spreading the BS. Ozark

[Buckrub]

Pretty convenient to blame the Holy Spirit for not 'choosing' to do the very thing that would prove or disprove you (and Him)......

If you don't want to raise the dead, take up Ozark's challenge. Or come see me and rip out the two arterial stents I have in me and hand them to me and heal my heart. Or cure a double amputee.

Does it not bother you that (using your type of phrasing) "The Holy Spirit never CHOOSES" to do actual miracles that are visually in direct opposition to God's laws of nature? Doesn't it bother you that all he ever cures is broken hearts, headaches, internal issues, and such? Never any blindness. Never does restore a missing limb. Not once. Why did He do these things in Biblical times and not now? Do you have an answer? You should.

And Fox doesn't know how they all died either. But how they died is not even at issue. What is at issue is whether or not they did indeed go to all the World........which you somehow claim to have insight into the fact that they did not. I have some questions about that very thing, but regardless, I know God told THEM to go into the whole world, not you....and I have no proof that they did not. If not, then there are some folks on certain parts of this Globe that are gonna get a free ride because they never got the Gospel. And that's not fair to me, or to you. That would make it better to be ignorant of God than to know him and fail to serve him properly. My God isn't that unfair to me.

Good luck to you sir. I pray for your enlightenment. But I am going to wash the dust off of my feet, and not throw my pearls before swine any more.

[huntingmike]

I was going to post the events as they happened.
But on my third trip to Africa in front of 3,000 witnesses. God lead me to pray for and old women who was totally blind even though there were other blind people there. She was the only one I was lead to pray for. I put my hands on her eyes and asked for God to heal her in The Name Of Jesus. She was healed instantly. I gave a call for salvation and 1,800 people prayed the sinners prayer for salvation at one time. Praise and honor to The Lamb Of God.
The Son can make you free.

In love. I will say keeping your unbelief to your self would be appropriate. I have others who have sent me PMs to keep posting and I will.
I answer only to The Lord.
A very blessed man.
Rev. Mike

[ozark]

It is not my unbelief that I am expressing. It is my belief that you are a false witness and that you are a stumbling block to the cause of Christianity. I offered to help you provide positive proof but lip service is all you are willing to provide. It is my prayer that you are unable to lead others down the path of fake claims. If you are a fake as I believe then you have no respect or fear for the Almighty. If you are a servant of the devil then I feel that being rejected by myself and Buckrub plus I am sure many others is pleasing to God. It is my belief that the truest statement you have made is you answer only to the Lord. You surely will as will I. The more you post the more I am led to believe that you are a faker and will reap your rewards. My final words to you: Get behind me because I will not listen or read further. You refuse to stand up boldly and let your works be evaluated fairly. Good Bye and I pray that God can forgive you. Ozark.

[ozark]

My apologizes to board members for disappointing you if that is the case. I try to be a good Christian and I fear that my posts on this thread may be preceived as unchristianlike by some. I may be wrong but not intentionally. I believe that I have a duty to test spirits to determine if they are of God or the Devil. I do so not in the capacity of a judge but in the hopes that standing up against evil is pleasing to God. I think it is my duty not to be deceived and to call the shots as I am led by my understandings. Again, if I have offended anyone who is a true Christian I offer my sincere apology. Ozark

[huntingmike]

Apology accepted.
Rev. Mike

[ozark]

I don't think my weapon is zeroed in correctly. Bad ammunitton or the wrong target.

[dougedwards]

Jun 10, 2009 16:30:47 GMT -5 ozark said:

I don't think my weapon is zeroed in correctly. Bad ammunitton or the wrong target.

;DYou just described most of my life ;D

Doug

[huntingmike]

I forgive you any way.
Rev. Mike