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Post by brokenscope on Jan 18, 2015 14:46:46 GMT -5
In Tn i can use a 36 cal. Anyone went this route. Thinking of a build. I have a 45 pac but would like a flatter shooting rig. Thanks
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Post by squeeze on Jan 18, 2015 15:04:45 GMT -5
I just built one smoker, its in the mail to me. (just barrel and action) I almost went with a .35 whelen on a break action converted. Mine is for coyote and varminting. I keep hearing the "not enough gun" for deer. but Im sure a smokeless .35 could do it. Im in a smoke only state though, so even if I went the smokeless route, it would get used predominantly smoker
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 15:46:04 GMT -5
For smokeless the closest you are going to come will be a .358 barrel. There definitely isn't any high bc .358 projectiles, I don't know of any over .4 for sure. You probably wouldn't get flatter shooting but lighter recoil is a possibility. If you want to go as small as is legal and shoot flat the .375 will be your answer IMO.
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Post by brokenscope on Jan 18, 2015 17:35:52 GMT -5
Just looked at the .375 bullets. Thanks for the info. Im going to go this route then.
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Post by jims on Jan 18, 2015 19:49:09 GMT -5
TGinPA is developing some .375 loads even as I type. That will help you a great deal if you go that route. You can see his progress under a .375 heading here.
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Post by brokenscope on Jan 18, 2015 20:36:18 GMT -5
Ok thanks
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Post by miketodd58 on Jan 18, 2015 23:14:19 GMT -5
I saw where Alabama Hog hunting thar you can shoot a .40 cal or smaller During the turkey season,
I'm sorta leaning towards one so I can hunt there during turkey season as you are restricted to only turkey guns for hogs.
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Post by Alabama on Jan 19, 2015 3:50:36 GMT -5
I saw where Alabama Hog hunting thar you can shoot a .40 cal or smaller During the turkey season, I'm sorta leaning towards one so I can hunt there during turkey season as you are restricted to only turkey guns for hogs. Turkey guns for hogs? |
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Post by miketodd58 on Jan 19, 2015 6:09:06 GMT -5
I saw where Alabama Hog hunting thar you can shoot a .40 cal or smaller During the turkey season, I'm sorta leaning towards one so I can hunt there during turkey season as you are restricted to only turkey guns for hogs. Turkey guns for hogs? I asked the Alabama division of wildlife (or whatever they are called) for clarification, they habe some sort of law that you have to use whatever weapon is legal for the season you are in. For instance during the deer archery season you can only hunt pigs with a bow. Likewise during turkey season you are restricted to shotguns $4 shot or smaller. .40 cal muzzleloaders or smaller and handguns, strangely enough 22 rim fire is legal for turkeys so it seems a lot of people opt for 22 mag for hogs. personally I think a bow is my best answer for now but leaning towards a .40 cal of some type. |
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Post by dannoboone on Jan 19, 2015 11:31:49 GMT -5
So what can you use in Alabama for hogs when all other
seasons are closed?
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Post by Alabama on Jan 19, 2015 12:32:12 GMT -5
I think you have incorrect information. There is no closed season for hogs in Alabama, but its considered a game animal. I can't see the state telling you you have to shoot a hog with a turkey load because its turkey season. I looked in the regs as well as live in Alabama and have never heard of that. www.outdooralabama.com/sites/default/files/2014-15%20Complete%20Reg%20Book%20LE%201st%20proof%20%2011-13-14.pdfOnly way you will run into a problem is if you have a turkey call and a large caliber rifle. If the season is open, you have to use whatever the legal caliber is for the game you're hunting. |
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 19, 2015 13:01:43 GMT -5
Like Squeeze I was going to build off a .35 Whelen with the plan of a 140gr FTX pumped out at around 2100-2400fps which to me would be a awesome low recoil rig for the grandson. I was looking at going just a tad hotter then the .357 Max loads which are pretty much proven close range deer loads. I didn't want to go much hotter due to the barrel contour.
I thought I would go legal and at a DNR open house I cornered 2 wildlife council members and 2 higher ups in the DNR and made my pitch for a waiver on the .38 cal minimum rule. They did listen but at the end I got a big NO WAY. The way they acted you would have thought I was asking to molest 12yr old girls. So I shelved the plan. Now with the straight wall cartridges in use they allow the 38 Special which is only a 158gr at less then 1000fps (half the power of factory 357 Max loads). Now the .357 Max is legal for deer so I may just build one of those instead of a ML.
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Post by savagebrother on Jan 23, 2015 12:09:12 GMT -5
If you want to go 35 you need a 9.3mm barrel. The lands are .358 on the 9.3mm bore and .366 at the groove. You will also need a chamber as the powder column will be excessively long. Getting to 2800 FPS with 200 gr. spitzers is pretty easy but vent liners don't last very long at all.
SB
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Post by miketodd58 on Jan 23, 2015 14:07:49 GMT -5
I think you have incorrect information. There is no closed season for hogs in Alabama, but its considered a game animal. I can't see the state telling you you have to shoot a hog with a turkey load because its turkey season. I looked in the regs as well as live in Alabama and have never heard of that. www.outdooralabama.com/sites/default/files/2014-15%20Complete%20Reg%20Book%20LE%201st%20proof%20%2011-13-14.pdfOnly way you will run into a problem is if you have a turkey call and a large caliber rifle. If the season is open, you have to use whatever the legal caliber is for the game you're hunting. Talked with MAtt Brock over district 1 and Black Warrior. He confirmed what I had read that YES when Turkey Season rolls in you are restricted to .40 Cal or smaller muzzleloaders. Bows, Handguns and 22 Rimfire ammo. Basically anything that is legal for Turkey season. |
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Post by Alabama on Jan 23, 2015 14:26:45 GMT -5
Yes, you are right if you hunt on a WMA (Wild Management Area). But private land in Alabama or National forest land you can use whatever you want as long as its legal.
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Post by miketodd58 on Jan 23, 2015 14:27:10 GMT -5
See page 85 of the link you provided.
FERAL SWINE
& COYOTE
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Open during any other legal WMA
Hunting
Season using weapons and ammunition approved
for those hunts (NO DOGS ALLOWED) (DAYLIGHT
HOURS ONLY).
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Post by miketodd58 on Jan 23, 2015 14:28:20 GMT -5
Yes, you are right if you hunt on a WMA (Wild Management Area). But private land in Alabama or National forest land you can use whatever you want as long as its legal. Your probably right as all of my research into hunting AL for hogs has been for Black Warrior and Bankhead. |
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Post by Alabama on Jan 23, 2015 15:13:48 GMT -5
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Post by miketodd58 on Jan 23, 2015 15:26:48 GMT -5
I lived in Alabama back in the day and if it brown it was down and if it moved it needed killing. Those were about the only two rules that I can remember.  |
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Post by Alabama on Jan 23, 2015 16:15:59 GMT -5
That policy keeps it simple!
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Post by wayles on Jan 23, 2015 17:31:10 GMT -5
Savage Brother... Where did you get the small light weight shooting bench??
wayles
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Post by miketodd58 on Jan 23, 2015 21:45:34 GMT -5
That policy keeps it simple! I thought so. about the only regs they were anal about were Hunter orange requirements. Dog hunting and no scopes of any kind on pistols. they came down on dog hunters..would write a ticket in a heartbeat on orange and had a fixation about making sure you did not have a scope on a pistol. The he scopes on a pistol I never really understood. You could hunt with a 6 shot 4" .357 mad but could not hunt with a scoped TC in 7x30 waters. Now if you ask most pistol people that know anything about pistols which would be more accurate and give you the best chance at a clean harvest.. Most of the nods would go to the 7x30 waters. At at least they seem to learn the errors of thier ways. |
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Post by savagebrother on Jan 25, 2015 21:30:33 GMT -5
Wayne's I bought that thing about 15 years ago out of an add in guns and ammo for $75.00
You can make you oneby using 2 different size width heavy duty fooling table legs.
I'll take some picks of it tomorrow so you can see what im talking about. It s adjustable up and down so you can level it.
I put a heavy bull's bag on it and have shot 1/4" groups off it and its light enough that any flat field with a good back stop
Makes a good range.
SB
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Post by wayles on Jan 26, 2015 10:30:43 GMT -5
Sounds good. Buildin one was what I had in mind. Thanks much in advance for the pics
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Post by moto357 on Jan 27, 2015 10:32:13 GMT -5
Just an FYI, I built a 35 sml last year and intended to shoot only the hornady 200gr sp. At first I sized them smooth and the bullets were tumbling. It wasn't until I made a full form die for the bullets before they were accurate. Not sure if I just didn't make enough pressure but the rifle bullets really needed to be full formed otherwise there wasn't enough obturation for them to shoot. Good luck with your project
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Post by savagebrother on Feb 3, 2015 23:14:42 GMT -5
Hey moto your right you were probably under pressure, I've never shot less than60 grains of powder in mine but I also have a chamber in mine so it has a minimum load.
I never had any problems with stabilization. My big problem is the vent liners!!! Some loads would burn one out in 6-8 shots.
SB
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Post by ratsnakeboogy on Feb 4, 2015 9:37:34 GMT -5
Hey moto your right you were probably under pressure, I've never shot less than60 grains of powder in mine but I also have a chamber in mine so it has a minimum load. I never had any problems with stabilization. My big problem is the vent liners!!! Some loads would burn one out in 6-8 shots. SB I assume if you went to the tungsten bushing plug the problem would go away, or is this load causing problems there as well? |
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Post by savagebrother on Feb 8, 2015 12:25:45 GMT -5
No they wouldn't last much longer. The big problem is gas flow. What I mean is that when you fire a load like this and you have such a long flame channel you get a very long by high powered rfle standards, there is a very hot jet of gas hits the vent liner literally a blowtorch headed back thru. If you look at what happens during ignition we create a low pressure area in the flame channel inside the vent liner as the primer flame moves thru it to the powder charge. When the powder ignites you now have a huge pressure differential in the vent liner. So now the pressure, for only milliseconds shoots backwards thru the vent liner flame channel, then bang it hits the primer and stops!! Remember those funny secondary spikes of pressure after the initial peak?? Now you know what caused them, the pressure equalizing in the breech plug and then back out to the barrel. My buddy, that I miss terribly, Rick from ar, and I spent about three hours on the phone figuring this all out one night. I designed a breech plug & module that would use a standard large rifle primer that would be held directly at the powder charge, no flame channel. The breech plug would be designed to allow the module to be inserted into it and part of the pressure on the module would be held by the bolt locking lugs and the module would have a firing pin extension in it, the firing pin in the bolt would hit the one in the module. Everybody confused now?  LOL SB |
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Post by moto357 on Feb 9, 2015 19:42:58 GMT -5
Perhaps I wasn't shooting "high" pressure by some standards, but my results are what they are. For my particular rifle/set up/bullets/loads they just wanted to be full formed.
Savagebrother, I remember this coming up before including some info on this from Edge. For this reason I've always been partial to having a shorter flame channel between the primer and vent and felt it even more important with the .35. Without getting up to measure I think there's about a half inch between end of primer and the bushing. After 100-200 shots in a 45sml and about 100 in the 35 and the vent shows little to no wear
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Post by savagebrother on Feb 10, 2015 0:18:24 GMT -5
Cool and I agree also I bet your short flame channel helps your longevity of vent liner or bushing.
I pushed mine into the 3000 FPS range and at those pressures things didn't last long.
This was with hornady 200 gr spitzers.
SB
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LOL