Fail to Fire Two Years in a Row

[dans]

I had a good friend and safety conscious hunter saved from an accidental discharge by the accutrigger. His sling swivel stud let go and the rifle dropped barrel first onto the pavement. The gun would have fired if the accutrigger did not prevent it. Neither I nor any one in my family have ever had a problem using the accutrigger. We set these triggers at or very close to 3.5 pounds and no lighter.

[miketodd58]

Any trigger that has a history of misfires is a BAD trigger design, PERIOD!

[olegburn]

Jan 7, 2015 20:53:50 GMT -5 miketodd58 said:

Any trigger that has a history of misfires is a BAD trigger design, PERIOD!

Mike, are you reffering to this particular Accutrigger or just all triggers in general?
I could be wrong, but haven't heard Accutriggers going of on its own yet.
Unorthodox design of that trigger does require a little adjustment to its use. So far it seems it does what it designed to do-
prevent gun going off if dropped with force.
Please,clarify.

[miketodd58]

I said ANY trigger. The Accutrigger in more that a couple,of dozen people's hands have had the light strike phenomenon . Usually during actual hunts where they may be prone to NOT bench rest standards and possibly with gloved hands or cold hands .

My definition of a proper trigger design is when you press it to the rear it discharges the round. If it does not do that 100% of the time no matter how I press it.. It's a,poor trigger design. Hope that clears that up.

[swede]

I have an early Savage non-Accu, Tupperware stock, that my son and I have had three occurances of the "click, fail to fire syndrome" while deer hunting. IMHO, after reading this thread I don't feel that it is the Accu, but either in the safety, primers or bolt. I also have a Savage stainless, laminated, accutrigger ml that has never been a problem after ten years. Just my two cents.

[jims]

I do not know the answer but my only fail to fire have been with the AccuTrigger and not my nonaccutrigger Savages. Happened to both me and my daughter on different guns over the years.

[rkrobson]

Artjr338wm, I put a Rifle Basix replacement trigger on my Savage ML II when I had it, it was a good trigger, Ray

[artjr338wm]

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[artjr338wm]

Thanks Ray, as I stated previously I've never had a any trigger related issues with my A-T 10ML-II.

[driven2tri24]

From what I've learned and duplicated the problem in this particular rifle's Accutrigger...The lower you set the poundage the easier it is to make this happen. The issue proportionately improves as you adjust the pull weight upward and is VERY difficult to replicate once the weight is adjusted above 3-3.5#..
I like my triggers in the 2.0-2.5# range and although this works nicely at the range etc...it's obviously not going to work for me in the field with gloves.

My plan is to spend the money and replace with a Rifle Basix Sav-1 this summer so I can keep my hands warm next year without worrying IF it will function correctly.

[rossman40]

If you want to go 3lb or lighter with the Accutrigger it is best to replace the spring with the lighter target spring. The Accutrigger does it's job in cases like drops and such but you have to train your finger to use the "pad" of the finger and not to stick your finger in to far to where the "blade" of the Accutrigger goes into the crease of the finger.

Thick gloves can just complicate things in the field. Thats why we had the trigger finger mittens in the Army. A cold weather sniper trick was to cut the trigger finger off on the wool liners and use the light weight cotton liners that came with the NBC gloves as a base layer. My trick was batting or driving gloves when you had to have some "feel" working with metal at below 0°. You didn't dare touch metal in those temps with bare skin unless you wanted to leave some behind. Trying to do fine work with the big artic mittens was like jerking off with boxing gloves. Part of my cold weather hunting kit is a handwarmer muff, throw a couple of the Hothands packs in it and your fingers stay toasty warm.

For the money a SSS Competition trigger beats the Rifle Basix Sav-1 hands down IMO.

[jims]

:)Rossman: Real worid experience?

[wilmsmeyer]

The boxing glove comparison really drove that point home....

[jims]

That was what my reference was to.

[rossman40]

The Army gave me the unique experiences of working in temps that most people can only imagine. I've been out in below -40°F when it hurts just to breath. Got to spend 9 days in the field when the warmest it got with windchill was a sunny -20°F. Weird as it may seem the closest I came to becoming a cold weather casualty was at 28° with about a 25mph wind, the wet cold is far more of a killer.

[jims]

Ken:; I was not questioning your cold weather experience and it can be brutal, my question was with the pugilist's apparel.

[rossman40]

While I have never tried it,, it's one of those gnarly senior NCO phrases. Sometimes used in conjunction with "I enjoyed that as much as.." or "you used as much time as.." or "Your working like.., a lot of effort and nothing is getting accomplished". Of course accented with numerous "F" bombs and a few GDs.

[jims]

I was joking more than anything. I think I heard more profanity in 6 weeks of basic than I heard my entire life up until that time. Of course not all that profanity was directed solely at me.
A few phrases still come to mind once in awhile.

[driven2tri24]

Jan 22, 2015 12:00:54 GMT -5 rossman40 said:

If you want to go 3lb or lighter with the Accutrigger it is best to replace the spring with the lighter target spring. The Accutrigger does it's job in cases like drops and such but you have to train your finger to use the "pad" of the finger and not to stick your finger in to far to where the "blade" of the Accutrigger goes into the crease of the finger.

Thick gloves can just complicate things in the field. Thats why we had the trigger finger mittens in the Army. A cold weather sniper trick was to cut the trigger finger off on the wool liners and use the light weight cotton liners that came with the NBC gloves as a base layer. My trick was batting or driving gloves when you had to have some "feel" working with metal at below 0°. You didn't dare touch metal in those temps with bare skin unless you wanted to leave some behind. Trying to do fine work with the big artic mittens was like jerking off with boxing gloves. Part of my cold weather hunting kit is a handwarmer muff, throw a couple of the Hothands packs in it and your fingers stay toasty warm.

For the money a SSS Competition trigger beats the Rifle Basix Sav-1 hands down IMO.

Thanks Rossman, I agree 100% that the key to avoiding this issue with the Accutrigger is to do as you've said and ensure the "pad" of your fingertip is used. Normally for I use mitten/gloves so I can flip them back and have bare fingers. I even went as far as to find a pair that had a thumb slitthat your thumb can be pushed through in order to manipulate a primer etc without having to remove gloves...That day and the previous year I left with regular "gloves" which had leather trigger finger etc, because it was warm out...Never made the pattern or even considered it could be the issue until I actually duplicated it upon advice of others, but the leather strip on the trigger finger kind of prevents you from flexing my finger enough when shooting off to my extreme left, hence causing me to force "sideways pressure" on the trigger itself and only minimal contact on the Accutrigger blade.
This combined with a pretty light trigger allows it to go off and still be caught by a still engaged Accutrigger.

Now that I'm aware of the situation, the problem will be no more. I still would like to get one of the aftermarket triggers but I just blew the money I saved for one on a Slufoot conversion, so I'll need to start saving all over:)

[jims]

You did not blow your money, you invested it wisely.

[driven2tri24]

Jan 27, 2015 12:44:30 GMT -5 jims said:

You did not blow your money, you invested it wisely.

It's on the way(fast turn around-Thanks Slufoot) so we'll see. If it shoots as well as I hope @ 200yds, I may just sell the 10ML2 to fund another project:)