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Post by 12ptdroptine on Dec 22, 2014 16:55:49 GMT -5
With all of the technology advancing like it has. And all the options available . Things are rapidly advancing
please vote.
Thanks for your participation
Drop
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Post by bestill on Dec 22, 2014 17:04:52 GMT -5
Brux barrel are top quality and i like the .450 land to land so i can smooth form all bullets to get proper fit no knurling.
Also im a Douglas barrel fan.
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Post by rambler on Dec 22, 2014 17:26:44 GMT -5
I've only shot with a Douglas
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 17:43:52 GMT -5
Have owned three Pac-nors and one Douglas..All have shot better than I can.
Zen
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Post by tnhunter54 on Dec 22, 2014 17:48:40 GMT -5
I'm new and Brux is all I have had.
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Post by squeeze on Dec 22, 2014 17:54:24 GMT -5
Have owned three Pac-nors and one Douglas..All have shot better than I can. Zen Im at pac-nor, douglass, and several not listed they all will outshoot me when I can figure out the flavor they are asking for |
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Post by bestill on Dec 22, 2014 18:23:01 GMT -5
Must had some hanging chads on ballot. Something happened need a recount.
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Post by jims on Dec 22, 2014 18:42:18 GMT -5
I actually voted earlier but did not give a reason as asked. Then there were two for Brux but it is down to one now. As bestill said maybe it did not count or whatever. In any event I will revote and give an explanation. Explanation first. My vote is with Brux. It appears the most consistent to me overall and it has been the most accurate of the barrels on paper but on deer they are all capable. One thing also I was able to get it much sooner than the Krieger.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 18:47:37 GMT -5
Must had some hanging chads on ballot. Something happened need a recount. I resent that remark! Lol River Rat (Chad) |
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Post by charles on Dec 22, 2014 18:55:59 GMT -5
I have 3 Pac Nor They all have shot great. My next build will be a Brux .
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Post by dannoboone on Dec 22, 2014 18:56:44 GMT -5
Doubt if any of us would want someone shooting at us at
300yds using any of those barrels.
My vote went to Brux because it was the most accurate ML
barrel I've ever had. However, all of us have at least
somewhat different life experiences in muzzle loading.
Jeff has proven that the Kriegers will shoot amazing one
hole groups. And I imagine the PacNor is ahead in this
pole at this time because that's what most people have,
and they are very accurate. But that's not to put down
any of the others, either.
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Post by 247deer on Dec 22, 2014 19:38:36 GMT -5
I have two pac-nor one Brux my vote goes to Brux most consistent top to bottom and smooth as glass and will shoot the lights out
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 19:40:06 GMT -5
Shilen, just my barrel of choice for all cf builds and never had an issue with them.
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Post by markb317 on Dec 22, 2014 19:50:15 GMT -5
My Brux has a smoother bore than the three McGowens I have used
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Post by edk on Dec 22, 2014 19:55:43 GMT -5
PacNor but as others have stated all I've shot. I don't think you can go wrong with any of them, I have shot 4 of the brands in various centerfires and they all will shoot sub moa and better than I can, but I'm a hunter and if it hits what I'm shooting at that's all that matters to me.
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Post by Richard on Dec 22, 2014 20:03:51 GMT -5
Kind of a hard one to answer.................I checked Krieger because I shot my 1,000 yard record group with it. On the other hand, I am now shooting a Brux in 600 yard competition and doing real well with it. Herman shot a .778" five shot group with the Brux barrel I put on his gun. They both shoot very well......................Yet, in the past I did well in short range with (not listed)a Hart barrel in PPC? I think any of the major custom barrels can be competitive..........some more than others? Some shooters that shoot well with a particular barrel are also good trigger pullers to start with. I think that by and large these days, most long range shooters are shooting Cut Rifled barrels from either Krieger, Brux or Bartlein.
As for muzzle loading, I have only used PN. Shot some test groups (customer guns) with McGowan's and they were also good.
Richard
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Post by 7mmfreak on Dec 22, 2014 20:16:50 GMT -5
I have owned one (or more) of every barrel on the list except Brux. I have only used Douglas and McGowen so far for SML although I have a Burx on order. Between the Douglas and McGowen for SML I voted Douglas. It is on my NULA which was good to go from the start and is a day in, day out, .4 MOA rifle with any Parker bullet and 38-39gn of VV N110. Like every Douglas I have had it shoots most any decent load well and cleans up pretty easily; in my opinion you can't go wrong if you need a barrel in a pinch. My McGowen had uneven dimensions within the bore and required a trip back to McGowen for re-lapping and while it is better than it was it still is slightly looser at the the muzzle for about 6 inches than it is from the breach to the middle of the barrel but it is a sub-MOA barrel. That said, they were great to deal with and I would give them an A+ for customer support. I know I say it every time we have a barrel conversation but Shilen is the only maker I won't do business with based on one bad barrel and terrible (non-existent)customer support.
As stated, I haven't used the rest for SML but have used them plus Benchmark and a lot of Lilja on CF guns. When you get into barrel blanks that cost $300 or more you can pretty well count on them all to be good or the manufacturer to make it right.
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Post by 03mossy on Dec 22, 2014 21:42:52 GMT -5
I voted McGowan as I have 2 and none of the others. 1 is my 45 smokeless that I got from luke that makes me grin like a little kid at Christmas everytime I shoot it. The 2nd McGowan is a 22 - 250 ai that's waiting to find an action until after Christmas.
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Post by ping on Dec 22, 2014 21:59:52 GMT -5
I'm voting Brux as that is what my SML is being built with,, and I'm pretty sure Hart does not offer a 45 caliber barrel..
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Post by 10ga on Dec 22, 2014 22:21:46 GMT -5
The closest I have to an aftermarket barrel is whatever doc put on the White Bison I have. All my Savages have Savage barrels, all my Remmys have remmy barrels. Only xception is a Douglas I have on a Savage 340 that was originally a 222 and I made it a 17 Mark IV. So I did not vote. I kinda know my limitations and probably any on the list shoot better than I can now. LOL, 10
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Post by airborneike on Dec 22, 2014 23:09:30 GMT -5
Russel,
The question "which barrel is best" is not easy to answer. There is a reason why when viewing equipment lists in bench rest shooting that you see more Krieger barrels than any other kind. The reason is,
people win with them. My first choice would be Krieger but Brux is not far behind. Any of the cut rifled barrels are good and there have been many matches won with button rifled barrels as well.
The main quality that a rifle barrel should have is perfect bore size concentricy for the entire length and of course smoothness is important as well. I have worked with serveral different maker's barrels but the two best IMHO are Krieger and Brux....so far.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 23:14:54 GMT -5
Brux for me. I say that after using many pacs and Mcgowens along with some Kriegers. All of these barrels take a long time to get so you might as well go top shelf and get a Krieger or Brux, I say Brux because the wait is much shorter and I think is on par with Krieger as far as quality goes....
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Post by rambler on Dec 22, 2014 23:26:02 GMT -5
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Post by ronnie on Dec 23, 2014 5:51:30 GMT -5
My Pacnor will out shoot me. It is very smooth and feels the same all the way down.
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Post by gar on Dec 23, 2014 6:11:51 GMT -5
Krieger because it is what I have, but my next is a Brux so there you go.
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Post by bowhunterjsc on Dec 23, 2014 6:59:18 GMT -5
Pac-Nor because that is what I have. They shoot better than I can but it isn't fair for me to vote since I have not had the opportunity to compare them to others.
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Post by smokepoler on Dec 23, 2014 8:01:14 GMT -5
Brux, Pac-Nor, Lilja, Kreiger, Shilen, Douglas in that order. I have a Muller blank for a .20 Vartarg. They have gotten good reviews as of late.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Dec 23, 2014 9:32:20 GMT -5
I have a Muller blank for a .20 Vartarg. They have gotten good reviews as of late. They should get good reviews as they are the 3rd generation of Rock and Broughton barrels. I almost used one last year as they are Teludyne's preferred barrel to work with but they will sleeve anything. You won't be using one on an .458 SML because they aren't making them right now; they are busy with government contracts and other disciplines. The reason you see a lot of Bartlein barrels in the PSR series is because a lot of guys shoot GAP and AI. Dave Tooley (here in NC and you will see him at AI's table in any local match) barrels AI's guns with Bartlein barrels. George at GAP peddles them as well. It's sort of like how Jeff pushes Brux for his SML. I shot Benchmark and an MRC barrel this year and will shoot a pair of Benchmark's next year; might shoot the MRC for shorter range DMR matches. I hat that Benchmark is seeing success because they are cheaper than others and can be had quickly. That will change if it become in vogue to shoot them based on PSR results. |
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Post by edge on Dec 23, 2014 9:38:35 GMT -5
I voted Krieger even though I have not shot mine in years. I did not like the long wait to get it but I like the cut rifling and being able to order any twist you want, I think John charged an extra $20.00 for the non standard twist. I like and shoot an off the shelf Shilen barrel I bought from Midway. Believe it or not while I waited the 20 some odd weeks for the Krieger barrel I bought an A&B 0.458 straight tube from Midway for under $60.00 and it put 3 shots sabotless under 1/2 inch! So much for an expensive custom barrel, but the nice shiny lapped bores of the customs make cleaning a breeze. dougva.proboards.com/thread/3171/new-project-rifle?page=2edge. |
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Post by fishhawk on Dec 23, 2014 9:40:56 GMT -5
I have Pacnor, Walther Lothar, McGowen, Satern, soon to have a Shilen and Brux. They all shoot good.
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