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Post by nsb on Dec 16, 2014 14:43:36 GMT -5
I've been shooting VV110 powder in my Savage for two years now and I'm getting some pretty good groups with this powder using Harvester Red Crush Rib sabots and Hornady 250g XTP bullets. Once last year and once this year my gun failed to fire after shooting it four times in two days. It's kept in an unheated building after hunting with it all day to avoid condensation by bringing it inside a heated building. During the warm weather months this never happens. When I knock the bullet/sabot and powder out to clean it and reload, the powder looks wet and the vent liner is plugged shut. It appears to be wet inside. This happened again yesterday and the two days I was out hunting were both dry and partly sunny. Is this powder creating moisture by firing it? Anyone else have this happen to them? Suggestions?
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Post by smokelessindian84 on Dec 16, 2014 14:53:35 GMT -5
Switch to AA5744 powder. Seen the same thing happen to a couple of Savage 10MLIIs repeatedly. VVN110 seems to be fairly hard to light in cold weather and is temp sensitive.
That's my 2 cents.
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Post by deadeer on Dec 17, 2014 1:46:27 GMT -5
I have NEVER had a problem getting straight N110 to light. Do you install your breechplug with antiseize or grease? If so, stop and use Teflon tape instead. Something you are doing or have done is contaminating your powder. Is your powder old or been exposed to moisture or humidity? Try tape over your barrel and a fired primer in the plug to ensure nothing is getting in while sitting. Are you firing a primer or a load to make sure everything is clean and dry before final loading? N110 itself should not be a problem. Some have left their guns loaded for an entire season, years, and up to 5yrs (SW) and not having problems. Good luck.
Jay
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Dec 17, 2014 6:01:37 GMT -5
I agree with Deadeer 110%.
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Post by ronnie on Dec 17, 2014 6:15:48 GMT -5
What helped me the most with misfires was to shoot before loading remove breach plug then run dry patch make sure flash hole is open then reinstall plug. Any moisture in a muzzleloader barrel gets pushed straight to the charge when loading.
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Post by nsb on Dec 17, 2014 9:19:54 GMT -5
I've been shooting muzzle loaders for around forty years now. I've owned this Savage since 2005 and never had a problem until last year when I started using the VV110. Based on last year's experience, I put a new, clean breech plug in before going hunting. When I got to my lease, I fired one primer pointed at the snow and saw that it was clear and open from the snow moving when fired. I loaded the gun and went hunting. At the end of the day I put the gun in an unheated trailer next to my cabin where it was ambient air temp inside and no moisture was inside the trailer (no leaks in the trailer, we just didn't have enough people there to bother turning on the heat. At the end of the second day I tried to fire the gun when I was done hunting and it wouldn't fire. I use antisieze on the breech plug, the same stuff I've been using since 2005 with not problems. The breech plug was new, opened completely, and the vent liner was new and open to the right diameter. I never had a problem using any other powder and I haven't changed anything I'm doing in regards to components or loading procedures. I'm stumped. I get the idea of using teflon tape but after nine years on not using it, it's not the problem. When I pulled the plug after getting home, the powder looked wet and the vent liner was totally plugged. The breech plug was not totally plugged, it was open except right at the vent liner where it was lightly plugged. Very lightly. The vent liner was completely plugged as I said. It wasn't raining or snowing either day I hunted and the air was reasonably dry. Just a typical overcast thirty something degree day afield.
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Post by smokelessindian84 on Dec 17, 2014 11:31:39 GMT -5
I personally never had VV N110 not ignite in my 10MLII but have seen guys have trouble with it. There was no good explanation for it. But when when they switched to AA5744 it never happened again. I'm talking years of use for confirmation on it not happening again. The next guy won't have a lick of trouble with it. I would like a solid explanation myself. The powder charge that didn't go off when we took breech plug out looked burnt from the primer but did not ignite. Put it in some aluminum foil and took a bic ligher to it and it lit.  ? |
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Post by mike243 on Dec 18, 2014 6:46:27 GMT -5
I shot some in single digit temps at the range last year with no problems. I have not had a miss fire in over 3/4lbs of n110 fired with different bullets out of my stock savage11
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Post by dans on Dec 18, 2014 7:14:03 GMT -5
My son and grand son had 3 misfires in single digit temperatures last season. All while hunting. Brought me the guns each day at the end of the day, highly frustrated. When the guns were brought inside and warmed up, they fired. My final solution was to use a wool wad and the base of a 28 ga. shot shell wad between the bullet/sabot and the powder. Also made sure the breech plug carbon was reamed out. On the third day of the hunt, the guns fired and the deer were taken. We were using 250 shockwaves and HPH-24 sabots and I believe they loaded a little looser in the colder weather. Switched to Harvester red crush ribs this year and no problems so far.
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