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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 21:48:00 GMT -5
Which primer of the two, Federal 209A vs CCI 209M, seems to be most consistent and gives the best results with Blackhorn 209? Thanks, Kyle
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 22:56:13 GMT -5
I had both on hand and always stuck with the federals without fail.. not that the cci's werent up to the task, the federals just always worked flawless so I stuck with them. Same goes for my sml's, I use federals..
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Post by bestill on Oct 28, 2014 0:01:52 GMT -5
Performance they're virtually the same i believe federal material is a bit thicker and o.d. measure .242 and cci .239 i really like the federal.
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Post by lakeplainshunter on Oct 28, 2014 3:57:46 GMT -5
I use the Federals 209As exclusively with BH 209.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Oct 28, 2014 5:05:35 GMT -5
Ditto to what Ohio guy said. Always used the fed's in everything. So when I set up my Knight with BH209 and 325 FTX's 3 years ago, there was no need to look further. That gun/load out shoots anything I ever did with my Savage. Scary accurate. Problem is, I set it up for someone else to use. Then I robbed the Leupold scope off it the next year for another gun and the poor thing sits in the safe. Maybe I'll need it again one day.
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Post by encore50a on Oct 28, 2014 7:30:00 GMT -5
The only difference that I've known of, was when another shooter who regularly shot CCI209M's, couldn't find any and used the Federal primers. His group size remained the same but, the POI changed, with the Federal primers shooting a couple inches lower for some reason. No difference at all in his groups.
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Post by ronlaughlin on Oct 28, 2014 8:12:39 GMT -5
In my rifles both primers are consistent, and seem to ignite Blackhorn equally well. However, i prefer the Federal, because the soot left behind in the flame channel seems to be softer. When using federals i can spin a drill through the soot with my finger tips. When using CCI, the harder soot requires me to use some sort of holder, in order to spin the drill. No big deal, but.. It also seems the CCI primer is harder to ignite, but of this, i am not really sure.
The Winchester magnum primers work good too, but i haven't shot very many of those.
To me, the most interesting aspect of using rifle primers, is how they don't erode the flash hole. One breech plug has 700 or so shots through, and there is no sign the flash hole is growing. The flash hole was made using a 0.035" drill, and yesterday, i could only get a 0.034" pin gage through. It seems vent liners are not needed, when using any large rifle magnum primer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 12:20:51 GMT -5
Ditto to what Ohio guy said. Always used the fed's in everything. So when I set up my Knight with BH209 and 325 FTX's 3 years ago, there was no need to look further. That gun/load out shoots anything I ever did with my Savage. Scary accurate. Problem is, I set it up for someone else to use. Then I robbed the Leupold scope off it the next year for another gun and the poor thing sits in the safe. Maybe I'll need it again one day. What model of Knight do you have? My brother in law has an original Knight Disc Rifle .50. Trying to find an accurate primer/ bullet combo with BH209. He is picking up 100ea of the Fed 209A and CCI 209M from a fellow board member this afternoon. Thanks, Kyle
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Oct 28, 2014 16:46:07 GMT -5
I have the original disc that uses the orange primer holders. All stock stuff. IIRC my load was 90 gr WEIGHED BH209. BCR sabot, 325 FTX and the FED209A. I immediately shot 2 - 3 shot groups of well under an inch. The guy used it and killed a few does in the late season. The next year the gun was still together and I got it ready again for a back-up and I repeated the same performance.
The gun had always shot good. However, I did 2 things different that 1st year. I tried BH209 and I tried the 325 FTX that worked so well in the Savage..in the knight. So, just maybe, the knight would also shoot that good with black powder and the FTX's. You know....all .458's seem to turn the 50 into a much more consistent shooter.
One thing I noted was that I was getting speeds close to Savage book loads with the BH209...A big improvement in the smoker.
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Post by squeeze on Oct 28, 2014 17:15:48 GMT -5
I have probably the perfect platform for primer testing. I had a Knight mountaineer rebarreled to a .32 cal. Dry loaded a win 209 primer pushes a patched roundball out at about 325 fps. I pretty much strictly use w209 though and have a stockpile. I always meant to buy a few of everything and do some chrono testing on the power of each primer. BUT being the availability, and the cost factor of buying a card of every type of primer, most I really dont want or need just to do the testing has kept it from ever becoming a reality. The idea HAS been done before, with the green mountain inline .32 (about 250 were ever made and they are very hard to find on open market) here is someone elses review.
Shot-Shell Primers Hottest........Federal 209A..............380 f.p.s. CCI 209M...................378 f.p.s. Remington STS..........344 f.p.s. CCI 209......................338 f.p.s. Fiocchi........................337 f.p.s. Winchester 209..........333 f.p.s. Mildest........Cheddite.....................326 f.p.s.
Muzzleloading Primers Hottest........CCI 209 In-Line MZL...241 f.p.s. Fusion 209 In-Line.....236 f.p.s. Remington ML............234 f.p.s. Winchester ML............228 f.p.s. Mildest........Winchester Triple 7....191 f.p.s.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 17:16:50 GMT -5
I have the original disc that uses the orange primer holders. All stock stuff. IIRC my load was 90 gr WEIGHED BH209. BCR sabot, 325 FTX and the FED209A. I immediately shot 2 - 3 shot groups of well under an inch. The guy used it and killed a few does in the late season. The next year the gun was still together and I got it ready again for a back-up and I repeated the same performance. The gun had always shot good. However, I did 2 things different that 1st year. I tried BH209 and I tried the 325 FTX that worked so well in the Savage..in the knight. So, just maybe, the knight would also shoot that good with black powder and the FTX's. You know....all .458's seem to turn the 50 into a much more consistent shooter. One thing I noted was that I was getting speeds close to Savage book loads with the BH209...A big improvement in the smoker. Thanks for the info. BCR sabot, does that mean Blue Crush Rib Sabot? Thanks, Kyle
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Oct 28, 2014 17:47:32 GMT -5
Black Crush Rib
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Post by biddler2 on Oct 28, 2014 20:25:05 GMT -5
I have used Fiocchi, Federal, CCI 209M, Win209 and haven't had a problem with any of them igniting BH209 in a CVA and a Traditions LDR. Biggest issue I see with the CCI is availability. I can find the Winchester and Federal most places so that is what I have been using. I have also read that the Knight rifles are headspaced for the Winchester for less blowby.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 20:49:27 GMT -5
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Post by pooldoc on Nov 5, 2014 18:02:02 GMT -5
I used the CCI 209m for several years based on Blackhorn's recommendation. When I switched to the Bare Primer breech plug I changed to the Fedeal 209A primer for a couple of reasons. CCI's were hard to find and I didn't like the blow back. Both have been 100% on ignition.
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