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Post by doc12 on Oct 23, 2014 18:59:35 GMT -5
I have a couple of .45 Rem Pac's that I'm thinking of shooting sabot less. I have searched many threads and have gained some info but can someone give me a short concise lesson on what I need to do. I'm confused on the smooth form, full form, swing lock, barrel drop, wad or no wad options. Thx!
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Post by hankinsrfls on Oct 23, 2014 19:22:55 GMT -5
Give me a call at my shop tomorrow and I will walk you through it.. My # is on my website... hankinscustomrifles.com
Jeff.
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Post by doc12 on Oct 23, 2014 19:26:56 GMT -5
Will do Jeff. Thx you!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 7:21:10 GMT -5
I have a couple of .45 Rem Pac's that I'm thinking of shooting sabot less. I have searched many threads and have gained some info but can someone give me a short concise lesson on what I need to do. I'm confused on the smooth form, full form, swing lock, barrel drop, wad or no wad options. Thx! What bullets do you plan to shoot? That makes all the difference in the world... If you're going stick with .451/.452 bullets order a smooth die (which I believe Luke has in stock) and get to shooting, once you figure out your size settings per barrel. If you want to shoot the big boys, the 458's go with the full form die, which will require you sending in your barrel drop to have a die made. IMO if you're just going hunt or shoot to normal expected ranges (say to 300 yards) I would just get a smooth die and smooth size any of the .451 or .452 bullets of choice, if you want to stretch it way out and need a bigger wind bucking bullet like the heavier .458 bullets Luke sells, I'd go the full form route. It's all in what you want and what your goals are. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 7:45:30 GMT -5
Smooth form sized bullets generally need a wad under them unless you are using a Hankins plug/ignition.....Full form sized bullets fill the entire bore so a wad is not needed....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 7:59:32 GMT -5
Smooth form sized bullets generally need a wad under them unless you are using a Hankins plug/ignition (or use a duplex charge).....Full form sized bullets fill the entire bore so a wad is not needed (Maybe... my new .40 cal has already proven to shoot better with a wool wad under the full form bullet).... Each gun/bullet/load acts and reacts differently, testing all scenarios with your particular gun is the only real answer. JMO |
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Post by doc12 on Oct 24, 2014 15:31:10 GMT -5
Thxs guys for the information!
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Post by jims on Oct 24, 2014 20:01:58 GMT -5
Some may find they do not need a wad with full formed bullets. I find I get better accuracy and speed with a wad even on full formed bullets. Perhaps they size theirs differently from what I do. I do not like them so tight that loading is difficult.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 20:48:37 GMT -5
Smooth form sized bullets generally need a wad under them unless you are using a Hankins plug/ignition (or use a duplex charge).....Full form sized bullets fill the entire bore so a wad is not needed (Maybe... my new .40 cal has already proven to shoot better with a wool wad under the full form bullet).... Each gun/bullet/load acts and reacts differently, testing all scenarios with your particular gun is the only real answer. JMOI guess I should have added generally to that statement also..my bad...As for duplexing ,my macgowen .458 shot the same duplexing compare to my single 70gns h4198/275 Be...veggie wad....Each gun and each barrel have their specific flavor that performs the best and its up to the shooter to find out what that is imo........And be aware that nothing here is written in stone because this is an ever evolving passion that we share.... Btw Ohio guy ...have you done Chucks flashlight trick to see if you are really filling the bore fullformed...?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 21:32:39 GMT -5
I guess I should have added generally to that statement also..my bad...As for duplexing ,my macgowen .458 shot the same duplexing compare to my single 70gns h4198/275 Be...veggie wad....Each gun and each barrel have their specific flavor that performs the best and its up to the shooter to find out what that is imo........And be aware that nothing here is written in stone because this is an ever evolving passion that we share.... Btw Ohio guy ...have you done Chucks flashlight trick to see if you are really filling the bore fullformed...?
No I have not. Is there anything to be gained by doing this? Most of the shots where we hunt will be 200 yards or much less, so if I can achieve moa accuracy to 200 yards I won't search for too much more accuracy.. (from this gun) but I'm always up for something new, I'll have to look into this flashlight trick.. I have a bunch of shooting to do with this gun to decide on what will be the final "hunting" load, I've yet to even try the 240 CEB's. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 21:39:24 GMT -5
Less obturation needs to be obtained the more you fill the bore is how I'm seeing it...Could be why you are getting better results with a wad...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 21:52:03 GMT -5
Very possible. I'll do some more side by side testing with and without wads with the same loads and see what happens.
I fire very few shots from any ml without a wad, I've just always felt it was added insurance using a wad and it really doesnt take much extra effort, or ever seem to hurt accuracy.
I'm thinking with my bullets sized at.8 on my swinglock die that they are filling the bore pretty well, they go down pretty snug. But I've been wrong many times before....
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Post by jims on Oct 25, 2014 8:17:39 GMT -5
sml: I have used a flashlight on a sabot/bullet combo and still saw light around the grooves even with the soft plastic. I cannot recall checking a full form bullet but I would venture a guess light would still be seen. If that is the case in my full formed and your does not produce light at the end of the tunnel then indeed your sizing fills the bill (bore) better than mine.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 9:57:21 GMT -5
sml: I have used a flashlight on a sabot/bullet combo and still saw light around the grooves even with the soft plastic. I cannot recall checking a full form bullet but I would venture a guess light would still be seen. If that is the case in my full formed and your does not produce light at the end of the tunnel then indeed your sizing fills the bill (bore) better than mine. Its a technique onecardchuck uses...I was just passing it on ,...take it or leave it. |
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Post by cuda on Oct 27, 2014 8:37:11 GMT -5
In my 45 Stevens McGowan I use a Barnes .451 290gr TEZ with no forming. I use a lubed wad then just put the bullet in and push it down over 69gr of IMR4198.
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