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Post by jwied on Oct 19, 2014 20:12:25 GMT -5
Can the experts check the two pictures for anything that sticks out as strange? So I have had two frustrating range session with my new smokeless. I bored sighted it and it required a lot of down adjust to get it in the cross hairs of the bore sighter. The first range session was 7/53 5744/4198 and 195 barnes in a blue sabot. Shot about 8 times and never touched a target. Then went home for the day. Today I went again and this time I stacked two targets because I thought I was shooting low. I shot 5 more times with the 7/53 195 load and figured out if I aimed at the bottom target I would hit mid/ow height of the upper. Then it gets confusing. I got the left/right to track in but the up down did not respond like I thought it would. I even checked the manual to make sure I was adjusting it the right way. I kept getting higher even though I was going down with the scope. I ran out of the 195 so I switched to 10/70 5744/3031 with 275 barnes smooth formed. Again they were high and the scope did not really respond to up/down adjust. Is there anything that causes vertical stringing? Also if I'm shooting at 50yds the 1/4 per click turns into 1/8 per click right? Or do I have it backwards? Hopefully my bore sighter is junk! Also is the plug look good? It has a little ash just ahead of the threads.   |
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Post by lineman on Oct 19, 2014 20:26:38 GMT -5
To me it looks like your scope rings are two different sizes. Or it's just the pic
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 20:29:05 GMT -5
To me it looks like your scope rings are two different sizes. Or it's just the pic X2 Something looks fishy with the rings... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 20:30:52 GMT -5
I've seen scopes do funny things if the rings are way too tight. What rings are those?
They appear to be the type that the bottom screw should have been torqued first and then the top worked in evenly and torqued? Does this sound at all right?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 20:36:56 GMT -5
Did you lap the rings and make sure they were aligned? Did you torque the rings down to 17-19 ft/lbs/inch. If you did not do this I would start there this is where I messed up when I first started.
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Post by ET on Oct 19, 2014 20:46:46 GMT -5
Appears the scope orientation has a real nose dive.
The rear base mount height seems to be producing that affect.
Ed
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Post by a1smokepole on Oct 19, 2014 20:54:35 GMT -5
It does look like the bases are rings are backward the nose of the scope looks like it shooting down witch makes the bore shoot up.
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Post by moosecry on Oct 19, 2014 20:59:18 GMT -5
check your rings they look reversed
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Post by jsthntn247 on Oct 19, 2014 21:31:13 GMT -5
Scope base appears to be at least a 20moa base which puts the back base higher than the front. Sounds like your scope is bottoming out of adjustment. You need to get 0 moa bases and you will be fine. I use 20 moa bases on all my guns but you have to have a scope with 60 or more moa of adjustment to make them. work
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Post by cowhunter on Oct 19, 2014 23:08:12 GMT -5
Fishawk, don't try hiding. We know that's your work. I remember the time you attached my beautiful BSA scope with two different sized hose clamps.
Just kidding. I had to laugh when I first saw the photo of your scope mounting. We have all had bizarre problems as beginners. I know Ive had days where I couldn't hit the target too. It turned out to be a faulty scope. But it does appear that the scope is scattywompass. Take a level and see how the scope compares to the barrel. Don't get discouraged. We all have those kinds of days.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Oct 20, 2014 11:10:29 GMT -5
The rings are Talley and they are not reversed. The bases are also not reversed. I have used a ton of them over the years and they are very well made. Those are also in the proper configuration. It might be the picture giving you the impression that the rear base is higher than the front as cameras often give weird perception. You could check by doing one of two things: pulling the action and measuring with calipers from the bottom of the action to the top of the base. Or you could put a level on one base and level the gun then run the level between the two bases and see if you have an offset.
You stated you needed a lot of down adjustment in the bore sighter. Did you need to turn the elevation knob down (like it says for POI) or did you need to move the cross hairs down? If you have a base that is too tall on your rear bridge the cross hairs would have started out low and you would need to turn the knob for "down POI" which would have raised the crosshair. Either way, the base being correct or incorrect will not cause your elevation to run opposite of what the dials/manual say it should be. Also, you are correct about at 50 yds your adjustments are only half of what you think they are but they are not 1/8 MOA.
Your scope is acting though like it is binding. Check your bases and see if they are matching numbers (Talley numbers them). Check your ring halves too as they are matched. If they are all matched use the level and/or calipers to check and see if they are matching heights. If they are check your rings. The two bottom screws that hold the ring halves together should have been what you tightened first when mounting and they should have pretty much stopped tightening. You should then have slid the rings forward to make contact with the base shoulder, held them there, and then tighten the locking screw to secure them to the base (I tighten them to 25 in-lbs). Once the bottom screws and the locking screw are tight you obtain proper eye-relief and level your cross-hair. Then you tighten the top screws to 15-17 in-lbs.
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Post by fishhawk on Oct 20, 2014 12:34:18 GMT -5
Fishawk, don't try hiding. We know that's your work. I remember the time you attached my beautiful BSA scope with two different sized hose clamps. Just kidding. I had to laugh when I first saw the photo of your scope mounting. We have all had bizarre problems as beginners. I know Ive had days where I couldn't hit the target too. It turned out to be a faulty scope. But it does appear that the scope is scattywompass. Take a level and see how the scope compares to the barrel. Don't get discouraged. We all have those kinds of days. You caught me Phil, All my work has a unique signature to it. Now let me get back to nailing this action in it's stock.... |
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Post by a1smokepole on Oct 20, 2014 16:28:07 GMT -5
[/quote]You caught me Phil, All my work has a unique signature to it. Now let me get back to nailing this action in it's stock....
I hope your using 16 penny nails its the best for that job.
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Post by fishhawk on Oct 20, 2014 16:36:16 GMT -5
You caught me Phil, All my work has a unique signature to it. Now let me get back to nailing this action in it's stock.... I hope your using 16 penny nails its the best for that job. [/quote] Don't give out all my secrets! Phil, I didn't think you could even spell BSA! |
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Post by jwied on Oct 20, 2014 19:32:39 GMT -5
The rings are Talley and they are not reversed. The bases are also not reversed. I have used a ton of them over the years and they are very well made. Those are also in the proper configuration. It might be the picture giving you the impression that the rear base is higher than the front as cameras often give weird perception. You could check by doing one of two things: pulling the action and measuring with calipers from the bottom of the action to the top of the base. Or you could put a level on one base and level the gun then run the level between the two bases and see if you have an offset. You stated you needed a lot of down adjustment in the bore sighter. Did you need to turn the elevation knob down (like it says for POI) or did you need to move the cross hairs down? If you have a base that is too tall on your rear bridge the cross hairs would have started out low and you would need to turn the knob for "down POI" which would have raised the crosshair. Either way, the base being correct or incorrect will not cause your elevation to run opposite of what the dials/manual say it should be. Also, you are correct about at 50 yds your adjustments are only half of what you think they are but they are not 1/8 MOA. Your scope is acting though like it is binding. Check your bases and see if they are matching numbers (Talley numbers them). Check your ring halves too as they are matched. If they are all matched use the level and/or calipers to check and see if they are matching heights. If they are check your rings. The two bottom screws that hold the ring halves together should have been what you tightened first when mounting and they should have pretty much stopped tightening. You should then have slid the rings forward to make contact with the base shoulder, held them there, and then tighten the locking screw to secure them to the base (I tighten them to 25 in-lbs). Once the bottom screws and the locking screw are tight you obtain proper eye-relief and level your cross-hair. Then you tighten the top screws to 15-17 in-lbs. 7mm you are right on my combo. I checked from action to bottom of the scope and there is .909 in front and back so I think that is good. I did tighten the bottoms first. By memory is that I slide them to towards the buttstock because that is what looked like shoulder to shoulder contact would be. I did not use a torque wrench just the little torx key they sent. I did not muscle them. Attached are my sketches of what the bore sighted looked like and my vertical string mess of a target. After it kept moving up on shot three I went reverse of the manual. Here are the pictures and me following your advice. Look at all of them and spoiler alert I think I found the problem.     Well the manual says up is counterclockwise and the scope under the triangle grip thing the arrow says up is clockwise. Needless to say yo have to remove it or have better eyes than me to see it with it on. So the next question is. I was aiming at the bottom bullseye (no unmarked holes) and hitting the top one. The worst punched hole is where I ran out of bullets. Should I be worried about bottoming out the adjustments? These are 50 yards shots? Also since I don't know which is right if I put the bore sighted on waging and move the cross hairs down this will give me the direction for down right? i think the bases look strange in the picture because the action is flat at the back and round at the front so the back had to be higher. I picked the talley because I could get stainless steel bases and steel rings from the same mfg. did the plug look ok? |
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Post by jwied on Oct 20, 2014 19:46:36 GMT -5
Ok since I want this to be the problem so bad here is another picture. My eyes are not crossed right? The manual and scope are opposites, right?  |
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Post by cuda on Oct 21, 2014 8:30:08 GMT -5
The scope markings say clockwise you might want to try going the other way like the manual says. May be the parts got mixed up when the scope was made that these were made for a different scope. The marking engraver could have done them backwards too. All you can do is try and see if it works. If it does use some white nail polish and remark the scope the right way. Or left in this case.
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Post by rambler on Oct 21, 2014 8:39:54 GMT -5
Ok since I want this to be the problem so bad here is another picture. My eyes are not crossed right? The manual and scope are opposites, right? Have you tried calling the manufacture's customer support? |
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Post by jsthntn247 on Oct 21, 2014 8:56:06 GMT -5
Meopta's are European made. My Zeiss is backwards from American scopes. Drives me nutz.
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Post by rambler on Oct 21, 2014 10:32:44 GMT -5
Meopta U.S.A., Inc.
50 Davids Drive
Hauppauge, NY 11788
USA
Tel.: +1 800 828 8928
E-mail: customerservice @ meoptausa.com
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Post by rangeball on Oct 21, 2014 10:44:16 GMT -5
I have never relied on how the scope is marked. Always verify direction by looking through the scope watching the cross hairs move and counting clicks in case I'm going the wrong way.
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Post by fishhawk on Oct 21, 2014 11:19:43 GMT -5
What does the writing on the side turret look like?
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Post by wvboy on Oct 21, 2014 13:35:13 GMT -5
I have never relied on how the scope is marked. Always verify direction by looking through the scope watching the cross hairs move and counting clicks in case I'm going the wrong way. This.. and easy to do with a gun vise and a Laser Bore sight.. |
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Post by jwied on Oct 21, 2014 18:39:07 GMT -5
Meeopta said the manual was wrong and has Ben updated. They sent me it as PDF. I must say there customer support is really fast took about an hour to respond to my email. Thanks for the help guys.
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