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Post by outlaw on Sept 28, 2014 16:49:22 GMT -5
why cant a full form die be made from the barrel drop that most pacnor customers get with their barrels??
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Post by dannoboone on Sept 28, 2014 17:05:13 GMT -5
Where did ya hear that??
Both mine (.458 and .451) FF dies are made from drop
from my barrels.
Tom Post (Swinglock) did tell me that he needs an
inch and preferably a little more of barrel drop.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 17:26:06 GMT -5
why cant a full form die be made from the barrel drop that most pacnor customers get with their barrels?? That's what Most are made from....I guess you could slug a barrel and go from there but would be a pia.... |
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Post by hydrodog on Sept 28, 2014 18:03:40 GMT -5
Outlaw, they do use the barrel drop to make a FF die, but it has the ability to be made smaller,I do not think you could form a bullet through a barrel drop and start the bullet without a hammer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 18:47:07 GMT -5
I actually used my piece of barrel to size 250 SST to fit my barrel however it would not work for the 300 SST. Don't try a .458 bullet however you should be able to get a .452 or .451 bullet.
I ended up getting a die made from Jeff hankins and has worked really well. You will not be able to push a .458 bullet threw the piece of barrel. You will only able to push a .458 bullet threw a full form die.
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Post by vtecgsr95 on Sept 29, 2014 15:06:23 GMT -5
I actually used my piece of barrel to size 250 SST to fit my barrel however it would not work for the 300 SST. Don't try a .458 bullet however you should be able to get a .452 or .451 bullet. I ended up getting a die made from Jeff hankins and has worked really well. You will not be able to push a .458 bullet threw the piece of barrel. You will only able to push a .458 bullet threw a full form die. I thought the whole idea of the 458 bullet was to get more bore to bullet contact? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 15:15:57 GMT -5
You can try the piece of barrel and push a .458 bullet threw it but I've never tried it and read that you'll need a heavy piece of equipment to do so. I don't think you'll be able to push a .458 bullet threw the piece of barrel.
Try knurling up a 250 SST (quite a bit) and then push it threw the piece of barrel a couple times making sure you index the bullet to the piece of barrel. Look at my group today the 250 SST speak for themselves.
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Post by rangeball on Sept 29, 2014 15:19:49 GMT -5
The problem with simply/not so simply pushing a bullet through a drop is spring back. The bullet will almost always spring back to larger than bore diameter. With the adjustable/fixed die, you're looking to size it smaller so that when it springs back it will fit the bore with the right amount of loading resistance.
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Post by outlaw on Sept 29, 2014 19:33:05 GMT -5
it seemed to me that spring back would exist, but having the barrel dropped returned to me led me to believe that it had a purpose. as i love shooting all year long i see the need for abandoning the sabot cause above 70° is a waste of time with my rempac. i want to pick the best route for shooting sabotless but also the least complicated if possible (esp. using duplex loads). seems like the swinglock smooth form...i think its called...is what i need.?.?.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 20:03:26 GMT -5
Call Luke and get a smooth die, he likely has them in stock, and you're in business.
unless you want to full form the .458 bullets, then that will require you sending your drop in to get a full form die made. Swinglock or Hankins can do that for you.
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Post by bestill on Sept 29, 2014 20:38:01 GMT -5
it seemed to me that spring back would exist, but having the barrel dropped returned to me led me to believe that it had a purpose. as i love shooting all year long i see the need for abandoning the sabot cause above 70° is a waste of time with my rempac. i want to pick the best route for shooting sabotless but also the least complicated if possible (esp. using duplex loads). seems like the swinglock smooth form...i think its called...is what i need.?.?. Your barrel drop definitely has a purpose it was sent to you so if you wanted to shoot full form bullet. You send your drop to Hankins or swinglock and have die made from your drop. |
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Post by rangeball on Sept 30, 2014 9:12:18 GMT -5
Another option if the adjustable (and best choice IMO) dies are more than you want to spend is a lee precision fixed die. Many guys here have some in varying diameters and would probably push some through for you to help you hone in on the size your bore likes. Then you can order one, wait 4-6 weeks if not in stock, size smaller and perhaps knurl up to get a good fit for around $30.
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